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Posted 11 months ago

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Vintagefran
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Ok, this isn't unusual in itself but the assay marks on the back are proving difficult.
I sent pictures to both the maker, Fattorini & Sons, and the Birmingham assay office and both replied with the date 1937, which is impossible as this Avon logo didn't exist until 1938/9.
The shape of the 'A' is subtly different from others I've seen online, with rounded, more sweeping soft edges & the seed pearls look very different to later ones I've found from the 1950s & 60s by Fattorini and Balfour.
Either the assay office is wrong or its a mistake or its a genuine early Avon pin, hitherto unknown.
The spelling of 'honour' suggests its either Canadian or English, which only deepens the mystery as Avon didn't start in the UK until the '50s
Any help solving this mystery would be very much appreciated, as always.

Maybe there's an Avon collector here somewhere? :)

Thank you

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  1. DrFluffy DrFluffy, 11 months ago
    Perhaps it was a different organization called Avon in UK or Canada.
  2. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    I'm not sure how that would be possible, there'd be copy right laws or something wouldn't there if this wasnt Avon?
    I wrote to Avon as well, who confirmed it was one of there's but couldn't give any info on it and agreed it was a mystery, they suggested i wrote to the Avon collectors club, which i did, by post as they've no website, but i never got a reply...yet
  3. DrFluffy DrFluffy, 11 months ago
    Interesting... Maybe it was a prototype for the upcoming year's award.
  4. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    That's what I thought Dr fluffy. From what i remember while researching this, the owner of the CPC and Avon died in 1938 and the design looks slightly black & memorially. It would be remarkable if it was an early prototype, but i guess thats unlikely and its more likely to be a mistake dating it. Love to know though.
  5. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Vetraio,
    I've just gone through my old emails and it was 1937 both Fattorini & Birmingham came back with.
    Sorry for the mistake, my memories terrible!
  6. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    It could be the 1962 N which would make more sense, surprising i got two wrong answers from people who should know if it is though.
  7. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    It would be good if anyone has anything by F&S with an 'N' to compare it to.
  8. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Another difference between this and all the others ive seen online, most were stamped Balfour 2K but i found one stamped F&S from the 60s, again the 'A' and pearls were different but also All of them have a point in the middle of the 'nails' which hold the A on at the back, where as these are very flat.
  9. vetraio50 vetraio50, 11 months ago
    Hi Fran. The important thing with the date letter is the font style used.
    The "N" on your piece is definitely 1937, vertical, no serif.
    The font on the 1962 "N" is quite different, at an angle and not vertical, with serif.
  10. davyd286, 11 months ago
    This AVON is not related to the American direct sales company named Avon. They are two different companies.
  11. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Thank Vetraio. I've a friend who thought it must be 1962 but then the experts & you would be wrong, seems more likely my friends wrong.
    Davy, interesting, do you know any more about this other Avon?
    When i first wrote to the Avon company i only included photos of the back (assuming they'd know it was theirs), they emailed that it didn't appear to be by Avon and ask i send photos of the front. They immediately wrote back and apologised saying it was one of theirs, but couldn't didn't have any info and suggested i write to the collectors club. Mysterious eh.
  12. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Also, if its an unrelated Avon wouldn't there be copy right issues on the design?
  13. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Vetraio, this was why i wrote to Birmingham and Fattorini, i couldn't decipher which N it was, to me it didn't look exactly like either the 1937 or '62 N.
  14. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Davy, do you have any links or more info on this other Avon. When researching this i found nothing except the Avon we all know & love.
    Vetraio, maybe the photo makes the N looks deceptive, I'll take some more, hopefully clearer ones. I understand what you mean about different type faces etc. i thought this N appeared slightly Itallic, though not as much as the picture on the assay charts.
  15. PhilDavidAlexanderMorris PhilDavidAlexanderMorris, 11 months ago
    Sometimes the item patent was applied for at different times, possibly not approved until 1938.
  16. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 11 months ago
    Interesting phil, thank you.
    I don't know anything about patents.
    I emailed the CPC collectors club but they couldn't help either and suggested i write to the Avon collectors club, which i did but no reply.
    No one really seems that interested, I'd have thought, if the date is correct, there'd be a lot of interest.
  17. davyd286, 10 months ago
    Follow the link to read about Avon of Belleville. Not sure though how that accounts for your date marks.
    http://imageevent.com/clios_vintage_jewelry/avonbellevilleboucher/
  18. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 10 months ago
    Ahh so there is another Avon, thank you Davy.
    I don't think this is one of there's though, the Avon office themselves said it was one of theirs but they didnt have any info on it..im getting nowhere fast with this one:(

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