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Posted 7 months ago

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mobi
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Trying to find out information about this bowl. My Father used it during his time as a POW with the Japanese. Where is it from, and what are/is/do the marks on the bottom mean???

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  1. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hi mobi, the bowl is, of course, Japanese, the fish are koi, an ornamental carp. The marks on the bottom identify a particular kiln, one of many hundreds located throughout Japan. I scanned an online list of several hundred without finding it, not unusual. Regards, Jim
  2. mobi, 7 months ago
    Thanks for your reply jwendell222, but I am even now a bit more confused. The British Museum tells me it is late 19th century Chinese, but could give me no more info, so I started searching thru websites, and came across one site which showed a bowl with the same mark/figure on the outside rim of the bowl as in second picture. That bowl was Ming. My Father "obtained" the bowl from the house of a prominent person in Jakarta after he was taken prisoner. I seem to recall him telling me it was in a display case, and had a notation that it was from a shipwreck. This was in 1946. I keep searching I guess. Thanks again though.
  3. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hello again, I would like your permission to post your pictures on an Asian forum which might produce some results. Progress is slow because all queries are scanned for spam before release. I have the query ready to go. Please let me know, Jim
  4. mobi, 7 months ago
    Happy with that Jim. Also it was in 1942, not 1946. Much appreciated.
    Peter
  5. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hi Peter, posted the query Tuesday, it was out Wednesday morning, surprisingly fast. It will stay up for about a month. No response yet, you can follow it here it here. Regards, Jim
    http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=75537&PHPSESSID=ov66m7m1tmh719he0n3th3jld2
  6. mobi, 7 months ago
    Thanks Jim,
    At http://www.ancientpoint.com under Asian Antiques >China Bowls there is a 17thc Ming Dynasty Blue and White Fish Plate Bowl. This is the one which has the outside rim marking very,very similar to that on my centre photo.
    Regards Peter
  7. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hi peter, what page?
  8. mobi, 7 months ago
    Page 21 ... three down on the right hand side.
  9. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hi Peter, downloaded and enhanced the the fish plate bowl, sorry, the decorations are similar only in that both are blue. Also, you will notice that the quality of the porcelain on your bowl is far superior. The query will remain for about a month, moving down. Usually, if there is no reply in the first week, there will not be one.
    Regards, Jim
  10. mobi, 7 months ago
    Cripes Jim ....you're a hard marker!! :) I still haven't seen ANY bowl or plate with similar markings on the outside rim. The other thing I am looking at for help in identifying the bowl is the "grecian" type marking which runs around the the inside top edge. The search continues, hey?? Merry Christmas to you ..... and to all who use/operate this site.
    Regards Peter
  11. jwendell222, 7 months ago
    Hi Peter, the marking that runs around the inside top rim is a diaper meander and is found on both Chinese and Japanese (it's also a Greek and Roman motif) porcelain and metal ware. There is a great variety varying in both size and complexity. Go here and note the pattern around the top rim in the third picture. Regards, Jim
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/49784-chinese-censer
  12. mobi, 7 months ago
    Jim..... I'd like to use an old Aussie expression of frustration here ...... but I will control myself. I don't see how I'm going to be able to "pinpoint" the actual beginnings of this bowl ...... or even get close to it. I guess that is perhaps the exciting mystique about this stuff. The search, at least from my side, will go on.
    Once again, I thank you for your interest and assistance.
    Peter

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