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Posted 5 months ago

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I have owned this piece for 5 years. This plate was crusted with black oxidation on it's wires when acquired. I cleaned it to help identifying it. The enamels have discolored and become pitted over time. The colors used correspond to what was available mid 19th century.
I can't decide if this is Chinese or Japanese cloisonne. The metals used are bronze, the small plate or dish is heavy with thick coating of enamel and wires on both sides.
At this time, Japanese cloisonne was made with copper, was flimsy and crude. Nothing like this piece.
There is a similar dish in the Phoenix Art Museum, part of the 1980s Clague Chinese Cloisonne Collection.
The red circle mark is unknown, never seen on either Chinese or Japanese cloisonne pieces of that period.
When Japanese marks were applied they were usually blue or green enamel on the base of cloisonne items.
The subject matter on the other hand is Japanese, the colors of green with a butterfly and daisies is more likely from Japan.
Anybody have an idea?

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  1. jwendell222, 5 months ago
    Hi id, I bookmarked an elegant web site a couple or more years ago, and when I saw your post, I went there. How silly of me. When I got there I made the connection with your CW username (are you Lisa?).
    I think the mark is Japanese, for this reason: the roof-like character at the top of the left stack, a yago, is usually read as 'in the house of' and the characters below it as a kiln or studio. There is more discussion in Gotheborg, almost at the bottom, under "Yago'. I sent the photos of the 907 bowl and mark to Gothebork several years back. The discussion that you see there has only developed in the last few years.
    Hope this helps and thanks for your web pages, Jim
  2. idcloisonne idcloisonne, 5 months ago
    That's me. I agree with you the mark could be Japanese, they were more likely to mark with a maker or some kind of symbolic word.
    Yet, the construction of the plate with heavy experienced bronze wire applications is not Japanese at all...
    I have been going back and forth about this cloisonne piece for five years. Never seen anything similar in 10 years of collecting and researching. Very frustrating.
  3. idcloisonne idcloisonne, 5 months ago
    thank you for the loves, it does look as good in reality, I admire it everyday.
  4. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 3 months ago
    Great post and info. Thanks Lisa. Beautiful bowl too
  5. idcloisonne idcloisonne, 3 months ago
    Thanks Fran, Anne, Elizabethan, Budek, racer4four, ATTWOOD, aghcollect, jensen, and SEAN68 for the loves.

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