Posted 9 years ago
TinaL
(28 items)
I realize that getting noticed or answers is difficult for us who are relatively new to this site, but I am really in a pinch. I posted the plates a couple of days ago but did not take a picture of the back. I purchased a whole tub full of Franciscan dishes and there was a stack of these in the middle and I just don't know what they are. They are marked with a large "S" inside what looks like a painter's palette. There is also a stamp on them that says 22K Palladium and a USA mark on some of them. Thanks in advance.
Hi Tina, I saw your plates earlier and meant to ask you to show the mark. I have a creamer exact pattern, but mine is only marked USA. I have never seen the mark that your plates have--that s and palette and I have been collecting vintage dishes for 15 years. I know that some manufacturers would make the dishes and then distributors would put their stamps on them, but I haven't seen that one. Hope someone recognizes it :) I love the plates btw!
The mark is for Sabin (Sabin Industries, Inc). They were founded in 1945 by Sam Sabin and based in McKeesport, Pennsylvania. They purchased whiteware blanks and put on their own patterns. They were bought out in 1967 by David Chase of the St Clement Pottery - the firm that made the blanks. The brand lasted until the late 1980's.
Here is the information from replacements.com;
Item#: 139072
Manufacturer Status: Discontinued
Pattern: SAB46 by Sabin [SABSAB46]
Description: PINK FLOWERS, GRAY LEAVES, NO TRIM
oops, I gave you the wrong one - this is the one with the platinum trim, floral design is the same as SAB46;
Item#: 266639
Manufacturer Status: Discontinued
Pattern: SAB75 by Sabin [SABSAB75]
Description: PINK FLOWERS, GRAY LEAVES, SMOOTH, PLATINUM TRIM
Good evening aghcollect and Jewels. Thank you so much for helping me out. I love these plates, but they really presented quite the ?? for me. Jewels, most of the plates are blank, they only have USA on them. Others have the gold stamp. Again, thanks for the help! I feel a little less lonely.
Just a little confusing - you say in your description some say 22k Palladium? Did you mean Platinum? - It is possible you have production from when the company was in transition from Sabin to St. Clement - it could be St. Clement now owned the pattern but did not want to use the Sabin backstamp.
This whole set is a mystery. The fronts are all the same. There are 6 plates total and some have NOTHING on them except a USA (part of the mold). Two have that S with the painter's palette. Some have Warranted 22K and it does say Palladium. I guess this manufacturer didn't worry about what would happen 60 years later when someone came across their wares ...
Hi Tina, It can be that way with vintage dishes, sometimes they won't mark the cup, but they mark the plate, and sometimes companies transitioned as agh states, so that can explain variances. Some manufacturers sold plates to different distributors who would then stamp them as their own.
Sabin did not manufacture china, but it decorated "blanks" (i.e., undecorated pieces of china) purchased from ceramics companies that made the actual pottery and porcelain. Sabin applied decoration to these blanks - often by using decals - and then resold them to a variety of wholesalers or retailers. It is reported that Sabin also decorated glass. Some of Sabin's biggest customers were premium companies that provided trading stamps (i.e. S&H Green stamps) to retailers that offered them to shoppers as an incentive to buy and spend more money in their places of business. It is known that Sabin Industries supplied the Quality Stamp Co. of East Liverpool, Ohio, and Sabin may have supplied decorated dishes to other trading-stamp companies as well. - So, your plates may have been acquired one-by-one with the redemption of trading stamps and/or from different retailers.
Oh my goodness. I am actually old enough to remember those redemptions. What great info, aghcollect. Thank you so much.
You're welcome - can you edit your post and move the second picture into the first place so it shows the pattern on the posting board?
Done. Again thanks.
I have a set just like this would plates three different sizes bowls three different sizes serving bowls and serving plates cream and sugar cups glass coffee cups or tea cups whatever you want to call him I have looked everywhere to try and find how much these are worth can anyone give me any ideas thank you