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    Posted 9 years ago

    hotairfan
    (385 items)

    I'm a bit of a fanatic when it comes to collecting hand forged items. Here are a few Blacksmith forged bolts and a few hand forged "Rams Head Nuts". Also a headers that were used to make bolts such as these.
    PS. I tried to forge rams head nuts such as those shown here and discovered that it is not as easy as one might think to make. I had wound up with a lot more failures than successes. ....hotairfan

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    1. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 9 years ago
      How were the threads cut?
    2. hotairfan hotairfan, 9 years ago
      The threads were cut by hand in all the bolts in my collection of about 100 pieces. This makes them difficult to match up with a hand forged nut if it didn't come with the nut attached.
      I believe that they must used something like a thread file to cut the threads in the bolt. and I have seen early hand made taps that Blacksmiths used in their shops. They have thread restorer files that they use today to restore damaged or smashed bolts.
    3. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 9 years ago
      I've done some blacksmithing & a lot of other related work but never found a description of how they made nuts & bolts that matched. You can't forge a nut around a threaded bolt because the nut would seize as the nut cools, so they had to have a way of taping the nuts. Getting the thread pitch to match a nut with files would would be maddening at the least. Do you know or can point the way to the information? I have wondered for decades.
    4. hotairfan hotairfan, 9 years ago
      hi blunderbuss2, I can only assume how they cut the threads in the bolts. I believe they might have used a tool to file, similar to a thread file, to cut the threads. The threads in the nuts must have been cut with a tap. Maybe the tap was made the same way that they made the bolt threads than fluted the tap like a modern tap to get cutting clearances, than hardening the tap. I found a photo of a thread file on Wikapedia (sorry about the spelling). Enter "thread restorer file" in the upper right box, it will show a photo of a thread restorer file. I wish that I had a definitive answer, at this point, I am assuming how they might have done it. There are a lot of savvy readers and posters on Collector, maybe somebody will have a better solution.
      I never even got to the threads on the rams head nuts that I tried to forge. I had a problem shaping the nut evenly and with a uniform curl to the horns. I guess this is a testament as to my poor blacksmithing skills, but, I'll keep trying. Thanks for the response, my curiosity is really in hi gear now. .. hotairfan
    5. BHock45 BHock45, 9 years ago
      interesting that they are called "ram's horn nuts" because they are actually heart shaped. rams horns go the other way I think. I have a few items with ram's horn and heart shaped finials. The touches make the item special.

      I am crazy about forged items too.
    6. hotairfan hotairfan, 9 years ago
      Yep BHock45, these are more bull shaped, but I have seen them where the curl travels in a complete loop. That might explain why they are called rams head nuts

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