Posted 8 years ago
pglenn1970
(37 items)
Hey guys
guys any info and value given would be great
hard to research
I hav e been told several facts about the1827 Springfield musket Was this gun produced in Springfield by the Springfield Armory I have been told but this musket is foreign and that Springfield did not or could not have produced a firearm in 1827 due to the fact
In this case I was told that three marks on top of the
gunbarrel means this is foreign made.
That Springfield probably received guns from over sea
anyway my 2nd question is about provenance
I think .I am told that 1827 muskets like these have no value other than 500 and that a gun in used condition do not have the value of untouched ones which are much better if they have no marks or gun power residue
I am going to trust Blunderbuss to ID which model this is, but I'm pretty sure this musket was converted from flintlock to percussion, which the US government began doing in 1840, through I think the 1850s.
Blunder, dive in my friend!
An 1827 date would make this a Model 1816.
Chris is correct-- originally flintlock and then converted to percussion. This is also readily visible in your first photo.
The US Armory at Springfield made muskets/ rifles during this time period. No reason to suspect ANY of it is foreign made. I cannot see the barrel markings-- "V/P" and an eagle head are typical.
Condition drives value. Hard to make any determination w/o seeing the entire musket to see if it is complete.
scott
Guess I'm a little late to the party. Seems like an almost void on information. If it doesn't have SPRINGFIELD on the lock, it wasn't made there. Springfield was a gov't. armory & would not be buying foreign weapons. The pix are too dark to read anything so we can only guess. No description of the "3 marks" on the barrel. It's an early arsenal conversion. I have to have more than the shadow of a gun to work with.
I also thought the 1816, but with these photos, wasn't willing to take a swing, so threw Blunder into the line of fire.
Chris - mixing metaphors on CW since 2011
It is a safe bet.
- The lock plate is correct (even w/o seeing markings)
- The last barrel band and ramrod are correct
Assuming the lock is marked as posted "Springfield, 1827"-- it sealed the deal for me.
My biggest issue would be with most of the barrel missing in the photos-- Is it all there? Many of these were cut down post Civil War. Value and desirability is dramatically changed with a cut down musket.
scott
I want to know what the "3 marks" on the barrel are & how the word "foreign" got thrown in?
Poster states "I was told..."
Usual markings would be "V", "P" and an Eagle Head-- three proof marks.
Don't know that any resolution photos will show what should be marked as the area appears to be heavily pitted.
scott
and thanks for all looking out and sending in information
Although there is still no word as to whether this 1827 Springfield is marked perhaps an earlier version of the M 1816
For you who believe that this is a true 1827 musket
Im just curious as to what is the production number ptoduced in 1827 for a 69 caliber
I was able to do some research and/? and during this period all firearms were used only for one and a half then replaced and sent backfor inspection wow that really amazes me that a gun can only be used for about a year and a half and this was the average
Even the shadowy pix show that the real sling swivel is mounted to the front of the trigger guard. That makes it a mod. 1822.
Thanks Blunder for the correction.
pglenn1970, I strongly suspect the 1827 year you mention is the year of manufacture, and not the model year.
The military didn't scrap muskets anywhere near every year and a half. Perhaps that was just the armory inspection schedule? The fact your musket was converted to percussion (which started in 1840) would indicate it was in inventory at least that long. In fact, many of these muskets were pressed into use at the start of the American Civil War. So, your musket had a service life of at least 13 years, but very likely 34+ years.
Blunder is correct...
Some sources show those updates as different models, others show them as a continuation of the M1816 with "Type II".
Probably the most noticeable difference in the Type I and Type II is the weapons were finished with browning vs. bright.
Springfield Armory Museum (Categorizes these as M1816, Type II) has production listed at 14,500 at an original cost of $10.45:
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=14777,DATABASE=33351249,
scott
good and thanks again Scott you've been a real channel
I drink the mystery is about solved
Someone said there was a production of 14500 muskets in 1827
And in the providence of that answer I would assume that more musket guns weremade from scratch
14500 were converted. Right or wrong
Return to take a few extra pictures but they still seem to be dark and there are no more better and I want to try something else
14,500 was the ORIGINAL production number at Springfield for the year of 1827.
Most that you will find today have been converted to percussion.
Surviving examples in ORIGINAL flint are unusual. More often than not, flintlock examples are RECONVERSIONS back to flint.
scott
Just to clarify:
ALL of the 14,500 muskets (M1816, Type II) made at Springfield Armory in 1827 were made with the Flintlock.
AT A LATER date, most were converted to percussion (See post #10).
scott
You are right. So my type 2 model show are as you said
With one exception..those guns that we reexported
for Spanish . War .Wandering if this musket waS made somewhere and then ship led to Springfield by the government
What guns that were "reexported for Spanish". War "?
"reexported for Spanish.War."
"... made somewhere and then ship led to Springfield"
I have no idea what you are asking??
scott
Maybe referring to the Mexican War, Scott. Certainly not the Spanish-Amer. War. Getting a bit crazy to me. I haven't yet seen a pix that I can read the lockplate & is stamped SPRINGFIELD or even 1827.