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Posted 8 years ago
pglenn1970
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Here's a clock I bought from a shop called the butter churn in Lebanon tn
And so what I know about it is this. That it is EN WELCH . I would like to know what style it is. I can't find TRAN DUY LY BOOK. But I identified thependulum as a number 25 on eBay. I ran several searches on the no.25 pendulum's but found nothing describing what type of clock I have. Help me out with some information.
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These "Kitchen" clocks were very popular, several manufactures of these, I don't know right off, but Bruce99 will be along and he has a good eye for these, maybe he'll share his experience with us and we'll know
Hi pglenn1970. You appear to have what is known as a "Marriage". Someone may have taken an Ansonia Clock Company Case from their "Broadway" model from circa 1883 (See: https://www.ebth.com/items/2227545-ansonia-broadway-parlor-clock-in-carved-walnut-case )
and put a Welch Clock Company Movement in it? If there are "extra" movement mounting holes anywhere in the case, that would be a dead give-away. Your clock's case is a little worse for wear and is missing a couple of finials.
Kerry, thank you for the kind words but tracking down a marriage can be extremely difficult. I just happened to remember seeing this case somewhere and when I didn't find the model in my Duy Ly Welsh references I kept looking. More often than not, I am not able to identify such clocks. I may have just been lucky here.
For whatever it may be worth, many collectors refer to this type of case as a "Parlor Clock". "Gingerbread" or "Kitchen" Clocks have very ornate patterns that are most often pressed, but sometimes superficially carved into their cases. Most often they are made of Oak, less frequently of Walnut. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=gingerbread+clock&biw=1021&bih=488&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib1frgjZTKAhWGSSYKHZ6ZAAMQsAQIGw
Parlor clocks tend towards a more solid, deeply carved design. This clock does have some superficial scroll work so, in my opinion, it does have elements of a Kitchen clock but I would still think of it as a Parlor.
One other thing I've noticed, the pendulum used for this clock resembles the Welch No. 26. Someone on eBay may have misidentified a similar pendulum as a "25".
As a marriage of parts from different manufacturers (if that is truly what you have...I can't be sure without examining it further) this clock would have less value to most collectors.
It's a nice looking clock none-the-less. Someone went to a lot of trouble to keep it out of the landfill. I'm sure there must be an interesting story behind its 130+ year long journey. Thank you for sharing it.
If that solves your mystery, please indicate "Mystery Solved" in your listing. If not, ask away. Perhaps some other collectors can help you further.
Regards,
Bruce
very beautiful!!
The knowledge and help from collectors here is astounding. Well done Bruce!
Thank you racer4four. That's very kind of you to say. I hope we helped the owner. It is still a very nice clock.
thank you guys who all contributed to the information on this clock and I appreciate the intelligence you have giv I also would like to add that I look at a link or t and found ou and found out this so the mystery is almos so the mystery is almost solved what I did understand about this particular clock being a Broadway or fifth Avenue and stil and steel no not common common.
This item is kroegers about 1882.many were asonia as Asonia model named Broadway but the panel is shallow
Now Davies collection .no sure how the clock background certainly says that mr Kroeger also invented this style cabinet and soul
I'm not quite sure what you're saying above pglenn. You're right in that F. Kroeber's Clock Company did have a model called their Fifth Avenue No. 2 which actually pre-dates the Ansonia model by about 5 years according to Tran. While the scroll work on your clock's case is not an exact match to either catalog illustration, the Crest on the top of your case more closely resembles the Ansonia catalog and there is a slight "cut out" space around the sides of the missing dial. Ansonia's case has these contours while Kroeber's model does not. Based on what I can see in your photos, I still think you have a Broadway.
Neither one of the illustrated pendulums match the one you show above in your photographs.
You initially identified your clock as a Welch Clock. May I ask why?
Also, are there any unused (or "extra") holes any where in your clock's case?
oh sorry about that last comment it seems my computer has malfunctioned
The clock movement says Welch f kroeber. Also believe a guy named Davies worked at asonia..the reading suggests he had a company
I believe he bought or sold these 3 glass cabinets
I broke it down and found two nail holes under the movement
I would like to know what original movements were there
Was this clock fitted with a asonia movement at first or kroeber
It messed me up again
The movement says E N Welch only
I'd have to be able to example the case. You say there are extra "nail" holes under the movement. That strongly suggests to me that the Welch movement is not original to the case. I will say, though, that Kroeber cased movements from different clock manufacturers so it is possible that you have an original movement in the original case. Like I've said, I would have to be able to see it for myself to offer a more definitive opinion.
In any case, you have a nice clock. I would love to have a Broadway or a Fifth Avenue No. 2 in our collection.
Good luck with your research.
I have this exact Welch clock same movement ,it has an extra jewlers lable from San Francisco.the pendulum is original ,the only for thing I note is the top of the case has two small missing finials.
What it look like ,can you post
I see no way to post a picture here,if you send me your email or go to Facebook, I can send photos,also I just found a near identical Welch clock as well with just two small different finials than my clock.Google hortons clocks and see the photos and descriptions there.