Posted 8 years ago
IanBrighton
(573 items)
This is an interesting floriform rim on a Deco vase. There are five petals and each has a little twist, making the rim appear quite irregular. The blue trail on the rim and the handles/trail all match known Kralik shapes.
An interesting addition to the shelf.
23cm tall.
PS: please read Craig's reasoned shape discussion below - a pleasure to read through, as ever. Hmm! Knowing him, "Not with 100% certainty," means approx 95% certainty plus.
Well at least most of the glass I'm buying is Bohemian now!
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your suggested attribution.... Also not suggesting an attribution either...... simply pointing out another handle similarity :-)
http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stories/ESyKys-8Kz9bd3t-mPqX7Q-smallw.jpg
Also, it is hard to tell, but it does not appear to have a ground pontil mark. Is that correct?
Also curious, if you did not twist the petals to distort them, would they look a touch like this?? Just curious... :-) Just asking some simple questions here. :-)
http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stories/U-OqgxqOnxzgNV1o5iorcA.jpg
Craig, you are absolutely right in pointing out the similarities. The clinchers for me at the moment are the rim trail appears to float off the vase at points, separated by clear casing, whereas I think Welz trailed rims are very tightly applied, and that the handle trails have a kink at the start and end in very fine "hairs" of glass.
But this isn't to say I can't be moved on the issue! You know me better than that!
It doesn't have a ground pontil mark, additionally.
Two great links btw.
nice Bohemian Tango vase
For what it is worth, the lack of pontil, and the other two similarities would at a minimum, in my opinion, point away from Kralik as the source.
I would add that I have Welz examples with applied rims that are not that tight to the rim itself. I think this is more a reflection of gaffer skill or speed of production.... or both combined. I think an applied rim with no pointil mark is more of an indicator than a sloppily applied rim color. Again, just an opinion.
Got to listen to your years of experience in these matters: are you tending Welz on this? I think so! Or Welz:Kralik:other?
I do not believe a simple ground can swing it: but I am tending to lump all these acid yellow deco vases as Kralik at the mo! ???
Great glass and interesting "food for thought" (craig)!
scott
The shape is a new one, especially with that rim. There are three things that I think point towards Welz. Ground colors are in most cases, not a good indicator to me, unless the color is unusual. In that case it can point one way or another.
The lack of a ground pontil would, at least to me, indicate origins other than Kralik. I can not recall a single instance of an applied rim and no pontil on a Kralik example. Not to say there is not one out there somewhere. I have really identified very little Welz in solid colors, as the identification is really shape specific in almost all cases.
Being a new shape, I would lean towards Welz based on rim shape and applied glass, trailings and lack of pontil. Am I 100% sure of that..?? Not at all.
Well thought out and reasoned as ever! I have amended the blurb to acknowledge your comments!
Absolutely - none exactly the same but some hints - especially at the foot of page 48 - but, as you write, nothing definite!