Posted 2 years ago
Alfredo
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Some of the Loetz Chine in my collection. This is quite an early line, dating from about 1898.
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Loetz Art GlassLoetz was the premier Bohemian art glass manufacturer during the Art Nouvea…
Amazing idea! There is no need to say that glass is amazing,too, having in mind who posted it.Ivan
Great group; wish the chine was mine!
Fabulous Chiné! So many too! I have only one and I feel lucky to have it. You are a lucky man, Alfredo. Thanks for sharing them with everyone! What about that trio?
Love looking at your collection Al. It's AMAZING! Thanks for sharing!
Those are all the colors I have found but, of course, not all the shapes. The purple bottle is 14" Once I saw a chine in the lavender shape that must have been at least two feet tall!
Band 2 lists the following colors for chine (see PN 7346 for at least 90% of these colors) ...crete, metallrot, metalviolet candia, Diana, Orange verle, orange, Zephyr, Grun, Vetrusse, Heliotroppe, rosa & hyacinth!
I have no idea of what most of these names mean in visual terms. What the heck is Vetrusse? Or PN 7346? This is a site for general collectors, who probably do not know what "Band 2" refers to.
I personally have enjoyed studying the various colors that Loetz produced. The names that Loetz gave for their colors of course were in German. Luckily, collectors who want to learn more about Loetz colors can borrow or buy "Loetz, Bohemian Glass 1880 - 1940" which Cantz published in English! See page 285 and you will find the English translation for "Vert Russe" which is "Russian Green". As for the term "PN 7346" this refers to "Production Number" or SHAPE #7346. I remember when I first discovered that not only did Loetz number all of their shapes and document them but a book had been printed known as "Band 2" that listed over 5,000 documented shapes produced by Loetz. Then I found the Cantz book and I was astounded to find that they included a CD of all of the shapes printed in Band 2! Loetz is a great subject to study because you will always be learning something new!
Sorry to butt in, but the names interest me too!
Can I check some of the colour names?
Vert russe. metall rot. metall violet. candia. creta. diana.
orange verle or orange verte?
orange, Zephyr, Grun, vert russe, Heliotroppe, rosa & hyacinth!
I can't afford the $1000 for the Hatje Cantz yet!
But I see already with a little research the Greekness, the influence of Venice in those names. Classicism and the Venetian Republic in Greece.
Yes, of course..In the Cantze book here are the translations given: Crete=green; Vert Russe=Russian Green; Metall rot or violtet =metalic red or violett; candia=clear; Diana=also a green; heliotroppe=blue; rosa=pink; Zephyr=also a green and orange verte=orange green.
Many thanks. I have a problem with Zephyr and Candia.
I was under the impression that Zephyr is a white. I have described my Cornucopia 9 currently #29 of 82 in Art Glass Collector's Weekly as being "Loetz Zephir Chiné. Coral and shell cornucopia as if found on the sea floor." Am I incorrect?
Candia is described by some as being 'amber'. But this morning I've been looking at it again. Candia is the name of a Malvasia white grape variety that approximates the 'amber' that is sometimes used. I can see too why 'clear' might be used.
I hope this is not going too far.
Yes, Candia can be an amber color. When it is I have heard it called "Amber Candia". Since "Zephyr" in English means a soft, gentle breeze, I am wondering if this word might mean "a soft, light greenish tint" but I don't know for sure. I also understand that Loetz changed many names and terms throughout their production.
Zephir Chiné--white--appears in Cantz 56, so it cannot be green. Candia is not a decor: it is a colorless glass which is then iridized for the basic Candia Silberiris used in Astartig, Astraa, etc. In Cantz it is referred to as a "ground" , that as, a type of glass to which a decor is added. and appears on pg. 285 under "Colorless/White".
I just did a Loetz search on amazon and the Cantz is not listed!!!!!
I think the name Zephir might be based on the Zephyranthes lily, rather than the breeze. Amazon.ca has two used copies of Cantz starting at CDN$ 986.65! I've seen one at $US 300, another at $US699.98! Not bad for a book that originally sold for $US75? Supply and demand?
At any rate, Alfredo how would you describe the colours of the Chinés at the top of the page? Left to right: Creta? ....
I really pay no attention to the fancy names Loetz used for decors or colors. I do not think they had any rational origin. I see two kinds of green, on darker than the other; I see opaque white. I see orange. And finally, I see violet and lavender. One needs to look at the actual production numbers and look at what colors and decors appear under each.
Agh! The Translation of Zephyr is Zephyr, and it's with the greens? Might it refer then NOT to the color of the shell but to the color of the foot? NO. Cantz describes them as Zephyr with creta or pink corals!
I have the standing seashell vase in a gorgeous gold and white finish. I would like to sell it. Can u advise me on how to do that?
Taimi - If your standing sea shell is identical to the shape that Al posted in his article, then I would say that listing it for sale on Ebay would give you lots of exposure to reach collectors all over the world that are interested in acquiring Loetz pieces. If your piece is different from the one shown in this article, you might want to post an article on Collectors weekly asking if others agree that your piece was made by Loetz. If you list your piece on Ebay, I would recommend including as many good pictures as possible especially photos of the bottom of the piece. Also make sure to provide a detailed condition report of any problems - cracks, chips, repairs. etc.
Thank you for your advise. An antiques roadshow is in a town close to me, I might take it there to confirm identification. My piece is the same shape as the one posted in this article, but it is a different finish. I would love to post on Collectors weekly. I will take some pictures and do that. Thanks