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Posted 8 years ago
ho2cultcha
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I think that this is a very good plate! it just looks right. unfortunately, there's a pretty good size chip near the rim. can anyone tell me about it? thanks!
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there is quite a bit of confusion on fb as to whether this is Ming Chenghua, Kangxi, or Japanese. i'm trying to get some clarification.
Dearest H02,
No question, this is Japanese, most likely Taisho period (1913-1926), with a mark that copies the mark of the Ming dynasty Chenghua period. Nice find, in decent condition from what I see. Regards, Kirk
Also, almost always the single blue ring on the base indicates Japanese.
thank you Artistinside!
Check out Xuande characters on this Ming link. http://gotheborg.com/marks/mingmarks.shtml
thank you laurak! i heard back from the Japanese FB page and they believe that it is from the Edo period.
Great! So happy you found your answer. It's a beautiful plate.
thank you laurak!
general consensus amongst the pros on fb say 1710 or so for this plate.
Dear Ho2,
I think that date is wishful thinking on FB's part. More research before I would ever date that piece that early, especially if you plan to sell it. This link should help, http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturyjapan.shtml
See: Arita - Imitating Chinese Ming dynasty Chenghua mark
My opinion. Regards, K
This is very similar to a recent find of mine.
those folks are pros on the fb site. they went round and round about it, and their reasoning is very sound. i haven't found photos of anything close to this one which is late 19th/early 20th century, but i have found plenty of very, very similar ones from the 18th century.
This is very consistent with the Edo era and I would see no reason to believe it is from a later date. I am not aware of or know what the FB site the other person is referring to but as an antiques dealer and court executor for 35 years I regularly see many of these old Edo pieces. We imported a lot and so did the Europeans who later came here and brought the stuff with them. I have seen brand new sets over 300 yrs old still in their original wood boxes. I have an invoice from the Arita Fukagawa Company in Nagasaki dated 1907 and you would laugh at the prices! But when converted into today's dollars, they were not cheap. A punch bowl was 30 dollars in 1907 dollars, that same bowl would cost approximately $853.00 in today's dollar value. For every 1 dollar spent back then was like spending $28.45. The Japanese porcelain had lost a lot of it's value with collectors over the last 25 yrs but I think it is going to pick up again.
i got an opinion too its japanese we forget the genghua mark because it is bull....
this is Fukagawa around 1720 and i got no doubt at all
thank you apostata! i didn't know that it was Fukagawa, but the date is pretty close to what i thought.