Posted 7 years ago
glasfreund
(31 items)
Some drawings of the Loetz patterns show the decor in addition to the standard information. It can be assumed that these decors are executed on the respective shape (production numer) for the first time.
When I online bought the vase in the first image I was convinced to get Gre 7734. Holding it in my hands I was wondering and even concerned.
It looked different in several aspects to my smaller vase (14 cm) with Gre 7734 on PN 7734 (second image). The optical ribs are twisted instead of being vertical. The surface is smooth instead of showing the notches or relief known from Gre 7734. So they are made in technically different ways.
Could my new aquisition be a fake? Could it be a different Phaenomen Genre?
From the bottom wear I could tell it is old, also the iridescent does fit with Loetz and the age. So I searched for the shape and production number and found PN 7733 fitting perfectly to the shape and size. Interestingly the pattern shows a decor on the foot which also perfectly matches with the decor on my new vase. It consists of arc-shape distorted and twisted silver bands. Exactly as drawn on the pattern. If Gre 7734 was designated with PN 7734 it should not be drawn on the preceding paper pattern 7733. Therefore it shall be a different decor. But there is no Gre 7733 listed.
The pattern only lists "bronce m. Silberstreifen", bronze with silver stripes, among other unrelated decors. The bronze color again matches with my vase. Unfortunately the term "Silberstreifen" is not as specific to exactly describe the twisted silver bands. But as an umbrella term it would be appropriate. I found other examples for both versions in my image database, all from the same period around 1898/99. Presumably there are two variants of a similar decor: bronce (with) Silberstreifen and Phaenomen Gre 7734.
Great research & a superlative piece of glass
thanks for sharing glasfreund
I love this decor. Its much richer in person
To my eye, this vase is half a PG 7734 and half "bronce (with) Silberstreifen". This type of decor pattern change or variance also occurs occasionally in some PG 6893's when the shape of the vessel makes it difficult to maintain consistent tight rows of the decor threading pattern. On your vase the decor threading seems to have been finished a bit "looser" especially towards the bottom. The optical vertical ribs going straight up and down look consistent with the molded shape used for this decor. But when the threading design of the angled, downward "V" pattern turns toward the foot, the threads drop into wider rows. This effect is also occasionally found in example of PG 6893. I did find a vase in PN I- 7734 that is decorated with the exact "bronce (with) Silberstreifen" pattern shown in the foot of the paper patter for PN I-7733. I will post a photo collage of these three piece on your Jugendstil Collectors page.
Thanks for the comments and additional information. Much appreciated.
This is simply stunning! It's got to be one of the most beautiful Loetz decors I've seen! Nice pics:-)
Does anyone know if either of these come in cobalt? There are two likely candidates on ebay that are suscpiciously Loetz, but in blue base color. Thanks!
I have never seen an example of this decor in a blue ground nor have a seen a mention of it in any of the printed Loetz archival information.
Thanks, I found it...they are Kralik "Scales" which come in cobalt
Luckily for collectors, Loetz is pretty consistent. While we occasionally find anomalies, once you know the Loetz basics, not too much slips bye nor can it be added in!