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Posted 4 years ago

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RonM
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A friend gave this to me to find out if it was authentic and how much it was worth.There is a piece of the scabboard missing. I believe it to be authentic. I was suprised to find the value of these knives range from four to eight hundred dollars. He paid twenty and laughed at my fifty dollar offer.

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  1. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 4 years ago
    Hitler Youth knives are expensive, and they have been reproduced. I had a reproduction of one of these for several years before I traded away most of my WWII stuff for the earlier period I specialized in (yes I traded it as a reproduction). I won't tell you if this one is a replica, because frankly I'm not that good a judge. Is there a manufacturer's mark/code? Does the grip look/feel/smell like modern plastic or the older bakelite or celluloid? It looks like there is no inscription (early ones had the blut und ehre inscription) , and it looks like nickel plate, I am guessing that would be more likely to be original than one with the desirable inscription but cheap chrome plate.
  2. RonM RonM, 4 years ago
    The handle appears to be older type of plastic.The inscription on the other side of the blade reads:M7M3, below a double circle with the letters:RZM inside the circle.
  3. RonM RonM, 4 years ago
    I misspelled German( I may have misspelled misspelled too).
  4. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 4 years ago
    I haven’t seen an RZM code M7M3. Could it be M7/13? I’m including a link that has another link to RZM Codes near the end of the article. The link itself is a very good description of how to tell a real HJ knife from a reproduction. I don’t agree with some of the first paragraph, but the rest is a treasure trove of information:

    http://www.lakesidetrader.com/HJlesson.html

    While I’m at it, here is another site that tells you how to tell between the old bakelite and newer plastic grips:

    http://antiques.about.com/od/bakeliteandplastics/tp/aa041506.htm

    I hope this helps

    Chris
  5. RonM RonM, 4 years ago
    Thank you Chris
  6. Driewer Driewer, 4 years ago
    I would say this one is authentic. Sure looks like it is old and was used. Reproductions do not come with a used or aged look. There is another way to tell about the insignia on the grip. I do not remeber exactly. But something about the color.
  7. scottvez scottvez, 4 years ago
    Be careful-- "good" reproductions are artificially aged to look very close to the originals.

    I always heard that many of the Nazi items on the market are repros. I don't collect Nazi, but the same is true of Civil War items now.

    Know your collecting area and don't assume an aged item is authentic.

    I have no opinion on the authenticity of this youth knife.

    Scott
  8. phillys57, 4 years ago
    One way to check is the sheath. Authentic ones have a rivet on each side about an inch down from the opening. It also should have a cotton liner. If the sheath is real good chance the knife is. Good luck on finding the truth,only a true collector could tell you what you have.
  9. RonM RonM, 4 years ago
    Thanks for the info guys,I checked a couple of websites and this thing meets the critera of an original(loose nazi emblem,rivets,leather band where hilt meets sheath). I'm not a Furher fan,just sort of stumbled across it.When I went to return it to the owner,he told me to keep it.I wish it was a restored Mill's slot machine from the 30's.

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