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Posted 2 years ago

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jsmoulcey
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I am not posting this item for sale. I am asking if someone can tell me its value and were i would be able to sell it.

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  1. aycockonxion aycockonxion, 2 years ago
    Flea market or antique booth is going to be your best bet, unless you want to take your chances with an antique auction. I don't know the rarity or value of the item, but I would probably not sell it on eBay for a variety of reasons.
  2. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 2 years ago
    Go to Liveauctioneers.com and search SOLD items : Loetz 1-4
    You will find auction prices.
    If it were mine I'd go with Early's or James Julia's auctions. These two are the best bet for art glass. Of course this piece is also worthy to sell at Sotheby's or Christie's in New York.
  3. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Beautiful ! I agree selling on ebay it would not likely bring the price it deserves and the chance it breaks shipping . Have also heard of people buying a piece they have that is broke and when yours comes they want to return it and say it arrived broke sending you their broke one back . Sad their are dishonest buyers and sellers but lucky that most of buyers on ebay and sellers legit and honest but prices are down on ebay now . A Big auction house that would be near you would be nice but always a risk at auction you need 2 people at least that want it . It could go higher than expected but also may go way to low if the right collectors aren't there . Thanks for sharing Love the color and design !
  4. wolcott1, 2 years ago
    Sotheby's has a five thousand dollar value minimum, I'm not sure about Christies but they are probably comparable. This is a pretty piece jsm!!
  5. aycockonxion aycockonxion, 2 years ago
    Given the estimated value, I would retract my suggestion of a flea market or antique booth. Like I said, I wasn't familiar with the value of the item, but if it's worth a minimum of $5,000 I would agree with the suggestion to use a high end, reputable auction house that will properly market the item ahead of the sale. Remember, you will pay anywhere from 20% - 35% in auction fees, but you would get closer to the real value of the item. It is a very nice item!
  6. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    I would suggest getting the silver polish residue off if you can. I'm curious are all the applied "prunts" silver covered? It appears from your picture that some are and some are not. I'm wondering if they were originally all intended to be silver covered and the silver was removed or wore off a few. Condition issues will determine if you should go with a private auction house or eBay. Pieces need to be near perfect for good auction house results. More pictures here would help, particularly of any questionable condition areas.
  7. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    Watch where?
  8. jsmoulcey, 2 years ago
    One is painted, the others are silver. I have not cleaned or put silver polish on it, I am afraid to wash it. There is no chips or cracks. Let me know what kind of pictures you would like. Thanks to all of you for your input. I will keep you updated.
  9. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    That colored "prunt" is not painted; its actually colored glass and was once covered with silver, as well. Any identifying marks or words on the silver overlay? Maybe near the lip? A soak in mild soap and luke warm water might help break up the silver polish deposits, then a light scrub of those areas with a soft toothbrush will free them up. It won't hurt the piece.
  10. famatta127 famatta127, 2 years ago
    In perfect, original condition, without overlay, this vase would be worth a small fortune.

    But correct me if I am wrong. The vase has a serious issue for me as a collector. It has one prunt not covered and the rest covered? I have seen these with the handle and every prunt covered in silver. As a collectors, I would never be interested in such a piece because it hides the most beautiful part of this decoration.

    Most Loetz purists would consider full overlay an assault on this glass. It defaces the most desirable highlight of this decor and it can hide a multitude of sins. Cracks, chips, missing glass can be covered with overlay and remain undetected.

    Now...the issue here is that if this vase has one prunt without silver and the rest covered, its not complete in any manner. Not fully overlayed. Not original without any overlay. The beauty of any art is in its original, untouched form. In this state, it makes me question what happened to the piece and why?

    Loetz Phänomen Genre 1/4 is most valuable/ desirable with no silver overlay at all. Some collectors will be interested in the vase "as is" because it will allow them to own it at a reasonable/ fractional price.
  11. famatta127 famatta127, 2 years ago
    Here is a link to a Loetz Phänomen Genre 1/4 in its original state.

    http://www.valerioartdeco.com/prod_one.cfm?id=3445&srow1=0&search_term=loetz
  12. famatta127 famatta127, 2 years ago
    without http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4268641
    with but none missing http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5158354
  13. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    Jsmoulcey, don't let Tony get you down. ;) He's right, though. The piece sits somewhere between collectible and curiosity. I find it interesting because it shows that silver overlay was applied liberally in Europe on Phanomen type wares, where US firms like LaPierre and Gorham generally get the bad rap (but typically overlaid on lesser Loetz genre).

    Personally, I like overlay pieces as long as the glass and overlay work in harmony. Yours is a hard call because the prunts are arguably more desirable in their uncovered state. I would still recommend a good soak and light toothbrushing to get the silver polish off...just don't scrub too hard.

  14. jsmoulcey, 2 years ago
    I took the advise and cleaned the vase. What a difference. The one on the live auction link is just like mine. The one painted or glass pruet is different from the others on the lip of the silver. (hard to put into words, i will take a close up shot) Again thank you to everyone.
  15. jsmoulcey, 2 years ago
    Well just so you all know, I had it appraised and its value is only around $2500 to $3000. I was hoping for more. Oh well, Ill take what I can get. Again thanks for all of your help
  16. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    Good luck with it!
  17. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    I you can get that price range, I would have sold it right away! Or, keep it and enjoy it for many years to come...

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