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BeauxPurdy
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I found this in a manila envelope that was in an old wooden box. The envelope had no markings and nothing was written on it either. In the bottom left corner of pitcure is the name H.Bicknell. Can someone explain what is being depicted in this image? Why is the carpet littered with papers and leaves? Thank-You.
Thank-You Solver! I re-scanned this and posted the better images...And yes. This must be a print of A.H. Bicknell his name now can be seen in the bottom left of print in the design of the carpet. I was wondering about the symbolism of the wreath and petals...and the brick under the tablecloth? I'm just curious. Thank-You!

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  1. Manikin Manikin, 3 years ago
    Wow great photo Beaux ! Of coarse you knew it was Lincoln and cabinet members and looks like Military leaders . I wonder like you why all the stuff on floor ? Hopefully some can explain this moment in time
    Thanks for the share ! Awesome
  2. Manikin Manikin, 3 years ago
    that should be "some one" . Darn mind is ahead of my fingers LOL
  3. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    :) Same here... I find people who can type at the speed of lightning intimidating. I'm in awe of them. Thank you for kind comments. I went back to my grandmothers house today to look for Swan pens....No luck. BUT I did find this Abe Lincoln thing and Lots and Lots of other neat-O stuff. Now I just don't know what to do w/ it all. My Mom and Aunt, Uncles went thru house before me and just rifled and dumped things out of drawers... No respect or regard for anything except for what they personally found "valuable". So its all disorganized and jumbled up, it was hard enough watching my family turn into monsters, then the auction people came thru (and clutter/disorer drives me nuts). The house has been for sale for three years and now nobody ever goes there but me. But I've found a lot of 'treasure' there. My granny bought the house from her grandparents, so the stuff left there in all the hidden nooks and crannies is really really old. I love it there. Sorry to ramble....
  4. Manikin Manikin, 3 years ago
    Your Grandmother left you something to found :-) I know when my Grandmother passed house was cleaned out in 2 days . People in family came in night to take things . So sad . The housing market is just so bad right now and a poor ecomony no one has much luck selling anything . I am glad you have found a few treasures left behind and hope someone knows about this photo . It isPriceless !!!!!!
  5. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    Thank-you Manikin and officialfuel.
  6. solver, 3 years ago
    I can't speak to the age, authenticity, or the artist. A wild guess is that what you have appears to be a print and you stated it says "H. Bicknell." It depicts Albion H. Bicknell's work (which was originally a painting) of "Lincoln at Gettysburg." There are 21 "important" men sitting on the stage and I couldn't count yours since the photo doesn't show the entire piece. I wasn't able to locate an image of the original oil painting on the Internet to compare it.

    It's also possible that H. Bicknell is not Albion H. Bicknell.

    The following is a pamphlet that was put out by Dolls and Richards soliciting sales of an engraving or print of the original oil painting. It's page 12 of 66 of the Acrobat file (click on the down arrow at the bottom of the page and the box will indicate the page number). The men in the print are named.
    http://ia700209.us.archive.org/0/items/lincolnatgettysb00indoll/lincolnatgettysb00indoll.pdf

    The enigma is that the book "The Gettysburg Gospel: The Lincoln Speech That Nobody Knows" by Gabor Boritt, (which shows as a preview of the book so it may or may not continue to show at the link below), states that selling subscriptions failed and it wasn't printed or if it was, so few were printed that none exist. (pages 175 and 176 of the book)
    http://books.google.com/books?id=kioIFrPhTGcC&lpg=PA175&ots=szQ5sFxFu1&dq=%22H.Bicknell%22%20AND%20lincoln&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q=%22H.Bicknell%22%20AND%20lincoln&f=false

    It's late but I can't see what you are referring to as the "stuff on the floor" but that doesn't seem to be important at this point.

    Also, sorry to hear that you are experiencing the very common behavior demonstrated by family members when an estate is involved.

    Sorry I can't help you more. Perhaps it's possible it's a print of a photo of the original painting. It's impossible to tell by your photo and needs to be physically seen by an expert. I don't see any plate marks so it isn't an engraving.
  7. rocker-sd rocker-sd, 3 years ago
    Great job solver! From the research you presented I would say we have
    "Lincoln at Gettysburg"
  8. Manikin Manikin, 3 years ago
    Awesome Solver ! Beaux you have a great Photo wow ! Grandma made sure you found it :-) Love it
  9. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    Thanks for looking rocker-sd.
  10. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    solver, You had awesome great info! Thank-You so much for your efforts, I really do appreciate everything. This must be a print,(but what do I know) it measures 14 inches across and 9.5 inches tall.It seems to be pasted on some sort of poster-board, because the backside is green. And you can see the tear on the center front bottom, and it looks like paper over paper. Is this even worth taking to an expert? I only have it because I liked the trees in background, and how the carpet rolls over a step. Usually I save and give the historic things that pertain to war to my brother(medals, guns, knives) but he never seems grateful, so...I never went to the trouble to track him down...and my sister recently made the comment how, "things are forced on her", I didn't think I was forcing "junk" on them. So, this isn't junk, is it?
  11. solver, 3 years ago
    BP, thanks for scanning it to show the A. H. Bickel printed lower left in the carpet.

    I don't think there is any question that yours is NOT one of the original prints from 1881 since the pamphlet stated the size would be, exclusive of margin, 24 x 39-1/2 inches. You can take a jeweler's loupe or high power magnifying glass and see if there is a symmetrical pattern of dots (pixels); if so, it's a reproduction print. Or, enlarge an area using the scanner to see if there are a bunch of dots.

    As I said earlier, if there are no plate marks, it's not an engraving but could be a lithograph. It really takes experts in this field to physically examine it in order to determine what you have.

    Regardless, it is not junk. The subject and the historic event it depicts is wonderful no matter what you have. I would frame it and cherish your grandmother's wonderful item. Since the painting by Bickell was his interpretation, and Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863, at the dedication of a military cemetery at Gettysburg, I would assume that the wreath symbolizes the dedication; my guess is that it's the same for the petals. Edward Everett spoke for two hours before Lincoln delivered his address so I would imagine there would be some other things dropped on the ground by the "pooped" men. :-)

    If you want to read about different processes of printing, here is some information titled "What is a Print?" from the well-respected Philadelphia Print Shop, experts in rare prints and maps:
    http://www.philaprintshop.com/whataprt.html

    and "Original or Reproduction?"
    http://www.philaprintshop.com/whatihave.html#original


  12. solver, 3 years ago
    Correction, sorry it's late.

    I misspelled Bicknell's name several times --- Bickell is a type.
  13. solver, 3 years ago
    LOL, ... is a "typo."
  14. Samovar88 Samovar88, 3 years ago
    I love the content of this. There are important historical figures in the background, on the left I see Frederick Douglas and U.S. Grant, on the right is appears to be McClellan and I can't quite recognize the others without my books, which are at work. It would be great to identify the other figures in the picture. Good find! I would make sure it gets matted on acid free backing and framed.
  15. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    Solver, Thank-You for taking the time to not only solve this, but also for the extra effort in explaining the details to me. You are kind and I am grateful!
  16. BeauxPurdy BeauxPurdy, 3 years ago
    Samovar88, Solver did share link that maps out who-is-who. You are much better at identifying historical figures than I, for me it was quite a challenge! I had to cheat and use the link. Thank-you for your advice!

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