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My Godfather, the Art Collector, gave me this piece in one of his moves. I was thankful, yet never displayed it as it is really more gruesome than my style! I believe this must have come from his father, as it is not my Godfather's style either!! I looked up what is sculpted on the bottom, Sartori(')s 1957. The father and son are both Italian artists, more famous for their leather theatrical masks, but the father was a sculptor before that, and I have sent photos to his son, who is excited to see if it is his Dad. I totally lucked out finding the son when I wrote to a random Italian art expert who happened to know the Sartori's. That is all I know. Maybe it is not the same, has anyone ever heard of a sculpture Sartoris?? The faces are rather haunting, and it stands just shy of ten inches. It is VERY heavy. Any ideas out there in CW world?? As always, my greatest appreciation, Michelle
Thanks to Marco Giunta and the artists neice Michela, we have ascertained that this is by Italian Ugo Sartoris from his early bronzes. He was also well known for his master Goldsmithery. Ugo's brother. Alberto Sartoris is also a renowned Italian artist in the medium of paint.
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Is there a "Scared of It" button next to the love and like buttons?
LOL! Can't help you, but I think it's pretty cool! I'm not scared!
Thats a great piece, very naive yet well proportioned and made. Love vintage bronzes!!
There was an SARTORIS, Ugo. Né en 1937 à Rome (Italie). He was brother of the painter Alberto.
Thank you stefdesign(lol), pickerknows, and vetraio50, I looked up Ugo Sartoris awhile ago, and he would have been twenty, and for some reason, I can't remember why, I kinda ruled him out because he was twenty in 1957, and was seemingly doing other stuff? Can't remember. That's when I hit upon the Sartori family. The father was at the end of his sculpting career in bronze, and the family started doing awesome leather theatrical masks in the early 60's, late 50's.. That is another reason I believe the father Sartori might have done this, because the faces are so reminiscent of masks. I don't know if the father would write Sartori(')s like a company would. The son will know immediately by the circle within the circle etched on the bottom, which is clearly part of his signature. This could also be a clue if it was, in fact, Ugo Sartoris at the young age of 20. (He showed a lot of talent, I feel, for twenty). I will try to find a signature of Ugo Sartoris, to see if he etched the circle within the circle inside the signature might be his flourish. Thank you, as always for the love and help. I'm glad not everyone is afraid of him!!
The signature is hard to read from the photo. But if it reads SARTORIS then there's perhaps two possibilities:
a) a straight Sartoris or
b) Sartori S
In Italian it's common for someone to sign with their surname followed by the first name initial: Amieux M or AMIEUXM.
Note though that in Italian there is no for of apostrophe 's' for possession.
The dog's hair is 'the hair of the dog'.
Joe's is said as 'of Joe'.
I don't think it would be AMIEUX'S or VETRAIOS.
My point is that if it's Sartor S then it might well be Sartor Silvia (or Salvatore).
By the way I have a leather mask that I will photograph too.
Maybe they can help me its identification.
I like the idea of the circle within a circle too!
I just received a e-mail from the son Donald Sartori, yet it is in Italian, and I can't tell what it says, so much for my linguist skills, are there any Italian speakers? Vetraio thank you, I will know more once I have seen what the letter says. Sartori or Sartoris, that it the question, I know the father's first name as Amleto(Hamlet) and the son is Donald. Thank you as always, Mich
Hi michelle. I taught Italian for 35 years in schools here in Oz. I'd be glad to help you out. Just post it here if you like.
That will take a moment as I have to copy it down from e-mail an type it into CW, the problem, I am not a fast typer. I have a couple of things I must do this afternoon, namely, visit two friends in the hospital. When it rains it pours. I will be back about 6 Cali time and will enter the letter. thank you so much. I can tell the word "absolutely", but absolutely YES his dad, or absolutely NO his Dad, the mystery is killing me. I knew with all the talent here on CW, there would be an Italian speaker. I am surprised that my French or Spanish doesn't help more. I understood the Latin text better!!Thank you immensely and I will get that posted, ASAP!!
Ciao, I think his name is Donato and his Dad was indeed Amleto. I'm looking around now and can see why you were interested. Found the museo site. 'assolutamente'
a dopo!
Similar mask here....
http://www.huma3.com/huma3-eng-reviews-id-161.html
I ham having trouble with my computer and twice it has erased my translation, aaargh, ok, here goes, one more try, :Grazie por esserte rivolta a noi per una verification cicca l'aytore della sculptura (in bronze supponga) che mi a parvenuta abbastanza chiara e dettagliatas Purtroppo devo darti una cattiva notizia, poiche il bronzo in question non e ABSOBUTAMENTE de mi padre Amleto. Sartori in quanto stile, modellazione e soprattitto la firma sono completement lontane da un qualsiasi dubbio. Spiacente suscitato me e stato necessario riferirti la noticia, anche se cruda." The rest is an invitation to come visit their mask museum if ever I am in Italy, signed Donald. Vetraio I can't thank you enough. By my minimaltranslation, I get the idea he is not sure...but I really can't tell!! Thank you again, Mich
vetraio, the word aytuer is autore,in the first line!!! Ooops!!
"Thanks for contacting me for verification about the authorship of your sculpture (in bronze I suppose) - the photos were quite clear and detailed. Unfortunately, I have some bad news because the bronze is definitely not by my father Amleto Sartori: for reasons of style, modelling and above all signature which are all far from being his. I apologise for having to rather bluntly give you this news."
Back to square one.
Can I ask that you get a clearer image of that signature?
As we say in French, zoot alors... Thank you so much for taking the time. Another linguistic friend had peeked yesterday morning, and said that "he could not say absolutely if it was his father's". That got me more excited. I should not have asked the amateur help...it gave me false hope!!!I will have to tell my friend he his Italian, well....maybe, I'll just leave good enough alone. So "it are absolutely NOT", huh, like you say, back to square one, I will post a second page with the signatures from all angles. I won't be able to do this till later today, darn real world interfering with my new Collector's World!!! Vetraio, I can't thank you enough, I will get those to you ASAP. Now I am very curious, as it seems to be a well crafted piece. Thanks again, Mich
Michelle,
It may not be by Donald's father, but it's a beautiful piece.
If I can be of any help I'll be in touch.
Chin up, it's a treasure:),
Tony.
Thank you so much for taking your time and energy to help me. O.K. there is Ugo Sartoris, but he would have been 20, when he did this, so...the mystery continues!! I so much appreciate your help. I'm not sure where to turn next, but I think it must be an amateur, thus unknown, but I think he did a great job on this bronze, despite a possibly "amateur" status. Thank you again, Mich
I have a graphic signed "SARTORIS 78" (no name), and I wonder who is the artist. All I know is that my friend's late sister was in a relationship with a Italian painter Alberto Sartoris (?) some 40 years ago. They lived in Rome at the end of 1960th or at the beginning of 1970th. Definitely before 1978. The graphic shows two mask-like faces. But it could not be the famous Alberto Sartoris, architect. A total mystery.
Very nice piece, looks like a representation of David and Goliath. I have seen a lot of variations this is one of the standard poses in a lot of them, congratulations !~Phil.
Oh, I've almost forgot - my friend also has a small painting by the same mysterious Alberto Sartoris. I'll upload the photos.
Dear michelleamieux,
I'm a roman architect, and I can definitely affirm that the artwork in your possession is a lost wax casting sculpture by Ugo Sartoris (Master sculptor of mine and my friend, unfortunately disappeared few years ago).
He was born in Rome in 1937 and during his youthness worked as younger assistant of the famous italian sculptor Mirko Basaldella (Udine 1910 - Cambridge MA 1967), with whom he designed and realized two of the most important artworks in Italy in the afterwar period: Fosse ardeatine bronze gates and plaster decorationi of the ceiling in F.A.O. assembly hall, both in Rome.
In 1957 his style is doubtless influenced by Mirko (as you can easily see if you googling images of Mirko production - David was a common theme in that years).
During the last three decades he dedicated himself to education and jewellery design as goldsmith.
He also designed, togheter with his brother Alberto (painter see http://www.albertosartoris.ue) a stainless steel fountain for "Banca d'Italia" data processing centre (centro meccanografico) designed by famous architect Pierluigi Nervi.
I hope to have solved your doubt
truly yours
Marco Giunta_Architetto
Roma 28 Novembre 2012
Dear MarcoGiunta, I am shocked and amazed by the solution to a mystery I thought would always remain just that. Collector's Weekly, literally, blows my mind with the Collection of great minds that congregate here to admire the priceless Collectibles we, as a group, have put together. I have not been able to Post for six months because I had a terrible move from a house infected with Black Mold, it took several months to clean the TOXIC Mold from my liver, in which time I couldn't eat or drink anything with a prayer of keeping it down...TMI, but I have been very sick and to turn on Collector's Weekly, because I am feeling better and may post some Teasures, it's been a long time, and there, only an hour ago, you left the most awesome message to tell me the story of this incredible scupture. The fact is that my Godfather is a Texas Multi millionaire Oil Man, but his Dad, Julian(I shouldn't say his family name as he is a major Donor and Collector of the Arts, he just donated the "Standard Oil" of Ed Rusche to Datrtmouth for the 50th reunion), was a WILDCATTER, and got control of the whole of the Carter Oil" Sections" in the East of Texas,( under the panhandle), where they grew to one of the 100 largest oil families in Texas, they even have a book about it! "Sections"" is a massive sizing unit they use in Texas because acres is just not a big enough concept to handle the massive ranches of Texas, it really is true, EVERYTHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS, just ask the artist and friend Bob and Lisa WADE. So, the father was even richer than the Son and was quite ruthless, which is why I think he liked the imagery of him coming in as a "WILDCATTER"(with family money, fer ser) and took control over the "Goliath" of the Multitude of People he was fighting for control of the Carter Oil Fields, ncuding members of his own family, Dallas style, hate to admit it's true!! and he won, and his family shall never want for nought, now I am sure they want in on the fracking and natural gas, but my Godfather pretends that he is a liberal, but it is tough when you are offered millions to turn a blind eye to the proximity of their fracking wells to potable public aquifers. Anyways, the man who bought this could buy himself anything he wanted in the world, so it must have been a "Trophy" of his Personal Conquest and Success", I am blown away by your info, it all makes sense to me now.
If you can, because you werea friend to Mssr. Ugo Sartori, and first hand information is always the best, please tell me about this interesting artist and what he eveolved towards in his artistic life?? I will look him up myself so I might be able to keep up, Michelle Amieux, I can not thank you enough, it is like finding a golden easter egg, not because of the value, but to finally know the truth is golden!!! I have been accused of being a bit on the OCD side?!?!?!?!(LOL), but I love puzzles because they can be solved, nd the ones I can't solve frustrate me immensely. I think many of us here on Collector's Weekly are not into the money at all, we just want the answers to mysteries, it is a Mystery Site. I have so many things I have yet to post, I am so 20th century in the photo cam to computer to listing, kids do it in 30 seconds and it takes me 30 minutes, I never reproduced and i am reconsidering that decision now that I have to move the couch by myself and have no one I can have help me with these newfangled contraptions!!! Maybe I will start a "Rent -A-Kid" operation with all the woman my age I know that never reproduced, we were raised in the 60's, the Cold War, Jacques Cousteau was saying the Oceans would be dead in 50 years, it seemed a dark time to brig children into the wrld, especially the Nuclear "Mishaps" that nearly brought our entire world to an end because the wrong video tape was put in...no wonder my generation didn't rproduce, the future looked dark if you and your parents were the least bit educated, the lies of Vietnam, he betrayal and loss of life with o rational purpose for this sacrifice besides the war for domination over resources, it was a dark time, this little fellow certainly sees the light in the darkness!!!!! Thank you so much and I look forward to reading about Ugo, and what you ave to say!! thank you so much, Michelle Amieux
Hi Michelle, this absolutely is made from my Uncle's hands... Ugo Sartoris... he was a great artist but he has a brother who is famous painter too (www.albertosartoris.eu). Unfortunatelly my uncle Ugo desappeared in 2003. Marco told you everything about his story but if you want to know more please don't esitate contact me by e mail (migi72@inwind.it). I will answer to all the questions you have. They are only two broters artists, my grandfather wasn't an artist he was a great man but not an artist. So i'm here ... i'm from his family and i love him with all my heart...
lots of love
Michela
Thanks Michela for the Alberto Sartoris site and for your confirmation about Ugo Sartoris! This is great news!
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/59454-my-sartoris?in=activity
And to you Michelle I'm shocked to hear of what you have been through. My thoughts are with you. Get better soon!
I'm back, not sure for how long, but my Cancer is "gone", I am free for the first time in a couple of years. Had a surgery Christmas day ad now it appears I am totally rid 'o the beast!!!!! I have missed you all terribly and your wisdom and guidance. Michela, I am so excited about your info and I am going to write you right now!!!
MarcoGiunto, Thank youu so much for filling me in. I am intrigued by his disappearance, but with great artistic powers often come the powers of unpredictability. I definitely want to know more about him, I am just so fascinated that I have a Sculpture that was crafted by a man you both knew and loved, how great is that. I am trying to get stronger and put on weight. I will do my best to post some treasures when I can, miss you manikem, budek, vetraio, all the great people here!! Thank you so much, Michelle
Hello michelleamieux.... I am so pleased to hear you a clear and you are back and look forward to seeing your treasures ...:-)
im so glad your back michelleamieux , and im so glad your full recovered:) PRAISE THE LORD"!!!!! MISSED YOU SO MUCH:)
Bellin, I have missed your incredible eye!! Thank you so much, Glad to be back, just must work on gaining weight(eating ain't so hard!!) and getting my strength back, yeah!! Thank you and i missed you all very much, even though I don't know you, you all have brought me immense happiness.
your very welcome michelle :) im so glad to and see you again. im sure eating wont be a problem . theres lots of yummys out there darling:) seeing you again brings us happiness as well:)
Marco Giunta, I don't know how to contact you through Collector's Weekly, but please e-mail me at michelleamieux@yahoo.com, or michela, to tell me more of this long time mystery in my life. I am so amazed about Collector's Weekly and that not only did someone recognize the sculptuer, but were close friends and family...I am stunned by the quality of people on Collector's Weekly!! Have fun everybody, Michelle
Ciao Michelle! So glad to hear the good news. welcome back! Regards from Down Under!