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Posted 3 years ago

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KJLara
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This dime head is double printed with a perfectly circular partial image of the face and a lighter imprint of the head only. There are no dates or other images on the head side. Tail side is 180 degrees from the head side (upside down). I don't know how to get this coin appraised, but am certain it is extremely rare and has value. If anyone knows anything about this coin. please contact me a.s.a.p.
NOTE: Photo of head side of dime shows tarnish/copper color. There are no coloration flaws, the area outside of the head imprint is perfect and flat.

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  1. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    I was waiting for someone else to say that. I found several similar dimes in different databases that were not mint damage.
  2. KJLara, 3 years ago
    Can you direct me to a link that will show this type of coin? It is very much a mint coin, all markings are identical to a regular dime, so I'm not quite sure what "outside of the mint" means. I'm very new at this, so any information will be helpful. Thank you.
  3. KJLara, 3 years ago
    The photos do not show it, but this coin is very silver and shiny. No tarnishing or damage.
  4. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    I am quite sure if anyone blows these two photos up they will see what is going on here. You found the coin, you can find many, many more machined down just like it if you use Google.
  5. Pop_abides Pop_abides, 3 years ago
    No press die would ever break like this ! Someone here is trying to really fool someone else, if you paid for this then I'm really sorry.
  6. Pop_abides Pop_abides, 3 years ago
    Is it not a FEDERAL crime to damage money?
  7. KJLara, 3 years ago
    Not quite sure what you're implying here? I found this coin, I did not cause damage to it. I was just trying to find out if it has value and find it quite impossible for anyone to have caused the type of "deformity" on this coin.
    Thank you for your comments.
  8. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Both of you are correct. It depends on your "intentions" when you deface the coin.

    Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States. This statute means that you may be violating the law if you change the appearance of the coin and fraudulently represent it to be other than the altered coin that it is. As a matter of policy, the Mint does not promote coloring, plating or altering U.S. coinage: however, there are no sanctions against such activity absent fraudulent intent.
  9. KJLara, 3 years ago
    OKAY - this is ridiculous! I didn't deface or alter this coin in any way! I just wanted to know if my coin had value. If you want to get into laws and violations, find another forum than my show and tell!
  10. KJLara, 3 years ago
    THANK YOU! Finally - someone believes I didn't alter this! There's no possible way it was done by someone's hand or tool. I've been researching this for months and have found many error coins that are almost identical (mated pair, double struck, ), they range in value from $5 to $5k. What's very interesting about mine is that the tail side (don't know if that's the correct term) is rotated 180 degrees and is perfect.
    There is NO discoloration on either side. My camera just is not good enough to take a close-up photo. The dime is clean and shiny, with no copper coloring at all.
    I'm perplexed about what to do with this! I live in a small mountain town in AZ, no one here has a clue about coins.....
  11. KJLara, 3 years ago
    Comment from Jim @ Jim's Coins & Stamps
    http://www.jimscoins.com

    ....Coin has been damaged after the strike--not a mint error.

    I personally don't think it's possible to evaluate this coin from the photos.
  12. ThriftyGypsy ThriftyGypsy, 3 years ago
    I hate to be the one to say this, but you posted this item and said you needed information"asap"....... then, after all the people on here with ALOT of knowledge, took their time and gave you information, ( was not what you wanted to hear ), you make the statement that "you personally dont think it's possible to evaluate this coin from the photos". I just have to ask, why did you post it, ask for comments, and waste everyones time ????? T.G.
  13. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Funny how people can't accept the facts. Oh well onward and forward.
  14. Bootson Bootson, 3 years ago
    Since the tail side looks good it does not appear to be "squished". I too see see the bit of color that looks like a bit of the copper sandwich. Maybe this was used as a washer or "spacer" of some kind in some machine or something.
  15. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    I hate to be a party pooper...............however, these are made by heating them with an iron or pen torch and tapping them down or heating them and then soldering over them, tapping them and then finishing them with a file or rotary grinder on a dremel tool etc.

    Very similar operation to spooning a coin except you need heat with this operation. I won't go into details because the market will be flooded with these. If you have a lab arm, pen torch, heat sink and nothing else to do you can make your own error dime.
  16. Bootson Bootson, 3 years ago
    I think the posts that offended you KJLara were only saying that they thought the dime had been damaged outside/after it's minting. I'm sure no one intended to accuse you of trying to "pull a fast one".
  17. Bootson Bootson, 3 years ago
    fhrjr2 you seem to have a scary amount of knowledge about old coins, you aren't an ol' pirate are yee? Hmmmmmm ...live in Florida ...with a green bird on your shoulder. Hmmmmmm
  18. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Not a pirate but 50 years ago we were making these and spooning coins to make a ring for a sweet heart. The process isn't difficult and if you sneak in the school lab you could use a bunson burner and lab equipment. Then down to the shop to pretty it up.
  19. KJLara, 3 years ago
    My apologies for seeming a bit flippant or ungrateful for all of your help and comments. Really thought I had a gem here, but unfortunately, I was wrong. Guess my coin collecting days have come to an end.... :) Thank you all. Kathy
  20. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Never say die..........just don't buy.............unless you are absolutely positive about what the item is.

    Speaking for myself..........flippant is expected and not taken as an assault. We all want that gem but most of us end up with a rust bucket.

    Keep a smile and move on. Listen and learn, enjoy and argue.
  21. trunkman trunkman, 3 years ago
    I think it is kinda cool and unique and I learned a lot from you willing to post your item and ask the question. I bought a 25 dollar trunk last week, and I should have known better -- it was a piece of junk and I will have to put it on the curb this week. If we take no risks we get no rewards. A swing and a miss, but I am still in the game... so a big thanks your way.
  22. Pop_abides Pop_abides, 3 years ago
    Kathy, we've all gotten 'stabbed' some time in our life......time to learn and move on....:-)
  23. Pop_abides Pop_abides, 3 years ago
    Oh, BTW, I'm not an 'expert' but I know some.......
  24. Bootson Bootson, 3 years ago
    Keep betting on Coins or whatever "Stuff" interests you. It doesn't need to cost much and beats the heck out of the lottery and the more you learn the better the odds get. There are better reasons to "collect" beside money, but finding a nugget in the bottom of the pan now and then doesn't hurt.
  25. OddsnEnds OddsnEnds, 2 years ago
    I know what KJLara is saying, and she's quite positive that this is a mint error. I would suggest that you listen to your heart, and don't get rid of this coin,until you have it evaluated by an expert. I have also found one almost exactly like it,so maybe everyone can compare these two coins,and figure it out for themselves. I also believe it is a rare rotation error. I have taken it to one coin shop already,and he is calling it a "Brocking" error. When I typed "brocking error" into the Yahoo search engine,this is what popped up,so obviously someone knows something. I don't believe that someone would deliberately try to make a coin like this. And if they did, wouldn't they have kept it,if they were trying to fake a raraity ? Why would they throw it away ? Don't listen to these skeptics, as I have never seen a coin like this before. If people were making them themselves,there would be plenty. A lot of the stuff on Google is copied, anyway ! Btw: You and are in different States,so maybe this coin is a rarity. Anyway, look at my pic (hard to get a good pic) and see for yourselves !
  26. OddsnEnds OddsnEnds, 2 years ago
    Hello, KJLara .... I have posted a picture of a Dime that I found. It's similar to yours,but I have also posted a deteiled description. My picture isn't very good,as it is too blury to show the real detail of my coin. I wish I knew a little more about photography. Do you have some pointers you could give me,so I can take better pictures of my items in the future ? I'm still trying to learn how to scan an item on my scanner (printer) and send it to my computer. Once I figure this out,I will be able to show the real detail of this fine specimen. Keep posting your favorite items on here for us all to enjoy ! Thanks a million ?
  27. OddsnEnds OddsnEnds, 2 years ago
    Sorry about the typo on that ... Should read "Thanks a million" !

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