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Posted 3 years ago

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Benking
(39 items)

Played with,
but can't remember!

Should I play with these again?

How old?

An worth?

Any co you know about?

Please help....

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  1. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Pictures look like cast iron. We have a bunch and the value has dropped the last five or six years.

    Researching it can be a real challenge unless there is a mold number or makers mark. I can't see the side markings clearly but those often help in identification. I love this stuff and my wife isn't really pleased that I have a bunch of it.

    The item you are showing is really nice and if all the pieces are original that adds to the value. Usually there is something missing.

    Thanks for posting it.
  2. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks FH!

    You have this one, may I ask?
  3. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    No I do not but I have seen similar at a flea market we visit on weekends. I believe it was offered at $110. I looked it over and it "appeared" original and no restoration. No marks but also no signs of rotary grinding or modern machining. The price was way high and being unmarked told me to back off.

    I have learned with unmarked cast that the dimensions and weight are all important. Once you locate the same or similar item usually you can narrow it down as far as the maker. Then, assuming there are records you can get information regarding the mold number, dimensions and weight of the original. Oddly some sites even give dimensions and weights of reproductions. I found that very helpful when researching a Hubley we have.
  4. Benking, 3 years ago
    Oh, thanks!

    Which ones do you have?

    Any circus ones?
  5. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    The only thing even remotely related to circus that we have is an elephant mechanical bank. We bought into stuff with intentions of sitting on it. One of these days people will have interest again when the economy improves and we will unpack it all.
  6. Benking, 3 years ago
    Elephant?

    It moves, how?
  7. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    The trunk curves upward and you set a coin on edge in the trunk, then you lift the tail and the trunk flips up and drops the coin into a slot on top of the elephant's back. I picked it up for $5 because someone had put white latex paint over the original circus colors. The white paint is starting to peel and I am removing it with tweezers so I don't damage the original paint.

    It is the same as the one on this link. It will better show what I am trying to say.
    http://compare.ebay.com/like/180713526164?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y
  8. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks FH!

    I appreciate that!

    I wish I had your luck!
  9. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks Bellin!

    When I have time... I will look for clues on it!

    For now, I must ruch....
  10. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    You seem to have a winner here. I just checked a site I use for Hubley cast iron and I learned that Royal Circus was one of the lines made by Hubley. Here is a link to the site I was directed to.

    http://www.oldwoodtoys.com/iron_cirus.htm
  11. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks very, very much FH!

    That is great!

    It rigns a bell.... Isn't that an USA co? Or England made?
  12. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    Now for the bad news. Hubley is one of the most reproduced and there are lots of really good looking fakes out there. To even begin to verify this is an original you will need measurements and weight. Most don't have a mold number. If there is any sign of rotary grinding on the under side of anything, it is a reproduction. If it is found to be an original I have seen them sell for $500 to $600 (at auction) most go for less depending on condition and how rare it is.

    Yes Hubley Mfg. was located in Lancaster, Pa. They started up in the 1890's and I think were bought out during the 1970's. Around the 1940's they changed materials and also around then started putting the Hubley name on their toys. The older items are difficult to identify and very time consuming due to the lack of markings. This morning I blew up one of your pictures and was able to read the name on the wagon. From that point identifying the maker was pretty easy. Keep in mind, ANYTHING written on an item can often lead you to it's identity.
  13. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks FH!

    What is rotary grinding on the under side of anything?
  14. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    I will see if I can find an image to direct you to. That is easier than me trying to explain the process here. I has to do with how the molds are prepared before use and also the deburring of the finished product. product
  15. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    For you or anyone else collecting cast toys, this site is a useful resource.

    http://www.squidoo.com/collectible-cast-iron-toys
  16. Benking, 3 years ago
    Thanks very much FH!

    I wish I had yours...

    to look at; I ask you to add them one by one here?
  17. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 3 years ago
    With the exceptions of the elephant mentioned above and one Hubley door stop (my favorite) all or most of our cast iron stuff is boxed up. Most of it hasn't been properly researched and with the market bad other things have priority.

    By the way, the lady that painted the elephant with white latex pain was having a white elephant sale. She had no idea what she had painted. I didn't argue I just paid her.
  18. Benking, 3 years ago
    I understand what you mean FH!

    I dislike Obama giving our money, us poor, to the very wealthy!!!

    And it's getting worst and will be much worst.

    Instead of giving our jobs to slaves in China, India, Africa, arabs, etc., we need to create real jobs in Canada and USA which 2 partners were the best before Obama!

    I wonder why the lady you say painted the elephant white?

    I think mine has the natural paints on it? Original ones?

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