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Posted 2 years ago

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Ollie
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Another Grandmother item...what should this be called? It has two tops...One on top has holes..second ond fits inside. My grandmoter had popourri in it.. Is that it's original use.? I have done some research on Nippon, but haven't found anything just like this. WOuld love to know what it is called and possible value..

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  1. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, I missed this one. From the photo, it's hard to tell if it's handpainted; however, the painting of the tree canopy that extends onto the lid in Photo 1 seems to be handpainted, so I think that the landscape scene in its entirety will be, too. Very nice piece. Wish I knew what it was! Regards, miKKo
  2. Ollie Ollie, 2 years ago
    All the photos are the same piece...think it was meant to take the inner cover off- put the top cover on and the aroma of whatever was in the jar would permeate the room...then put the two cover s back on to save the scent. I think she usd to put rose petels and orris powder..woul still love to know the value..will keep searching
  3. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, Ollie and AR8Jason!

    Ollie, how tall is it, please? That might help AR8Jason. He is a mighty good detective, and he might be right about its being a hat pin holder. It seems odd to me that it has two lids. It seems that both lids need accounting for, if possible. What do you think about that AR8Jason? I haven't a clue! Thanks a lot! miKKo
  4. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, all!

    AR8Jason, you have so much more expertise than I with this sort of thing, and I am very glad that you're weighing in on this. I too thought that there might have been a second lidded vessel at one time, and that now the one vessel in Photo 1 is paired with both lids. I also hold open the possibility - not advance the probability - that both lids are original to the one vessel pictured. It's true that the lid in Photo 2 does not continue the canopy of the painted tree, as the lid in Photo 1 does. However, perhaps because the second lid is not domed, it might be an original lid (of a vessel designed with two lids) and yet the artist might have chosen not to continue the tree canopy to the second lid. Terrible sentence, but you know what I mean - hopefully. Because if the canopy were continued on the second lid, then the tree wouldn't be growing upward towards the sky, but upwards until it took a 90 degree, sharply angular curve sideways - another terrible sentence : )

    I am going to leave this in your capable hands, AR8Jason. I think that your account is the most likely one. I also know that you would be the much better qualified to proceed with further verification tests. I am going to get back to my interminable Doniphan research now. I just keep writing goofy sentences here.

    So, goodnight to all, Ollie and AR8Jason! Thanks so much for letting me have some play in this beautiful piece! Regards, miKKo

    Anyway, it seems to me that an advance might be made if one could a.) verify that the vessel in Photo 1 is a hat pin holder by comparing it to like pieces of similar age and finding a match, and b.) by verifying either that such a hat pin holder could have had a second lid, or that it didn't have a second lid. That is, for b.) Scenario 1, that one can find a two-lidded hat pin vessel, or Scenario 2, that one can find no instances of such a vessel in like pieces of this age in Nippon lines or suites. Another terrible sentence.
  5. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    That last paragraph 'got out of place'. I should follow directly behind the 90 degree bit. So long.....
  6. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    I promise I'm signing off! I just forgot that there would be another possible verification tack - along the lines of a potpourri vessel.... So long for 12 hours at least!
  7. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, Ollie. Got some rest, and I return to the scene of the crime. Old philosophy majors get putative and wordy at times, and an exhausted one can be goofy.

    A real question: Would the domed lid fit the jar neatly and securely if placed on top of the jar when it's wearing the other lid? That might be significant. Also, I think that it's important that you measure the piece.

    This morning, while in a state of chagrin and while laughing at myself, I engaged in a brief hunt for similar hatpin holders and found none. That doesn't mean that there aren't any. I also made a brief search for like potpourri holders and found none. That doesn't mean that there are none.

    Right now, my only suggestion for you would be to google some specialized collectors societies and ask them. Hatpin collectors society (and eBay guides for some such), Noritake / Nippon collectors society (and eBay guides for some such). Then, I would ask the 'experts' on those sites. I know nothing about hatpins, hatpin holders, or potpourri holders. I hoped to get this Show and Tell going, and I guess I succeeded in that, though only that.

    FYI, I just logged onto Cowan's Auctions / Live Auctioneers and found a lot - Lot 289) of three vintage Nippon / Noritake hat pin holders up for auction - link below. Estimate was $40-60 for all three ensemble. That doesn't mean that if your object is a hatpin holder, its current market value is negligible, but it does suggest that your piece might not fetch a high price at auction in today's market. It's a hard market.

    Ollie, I know very little about Nippon / Noritake and items like yours. However, I can say that your piece is a handsome one! So glad you have it, and wish I could have been of more help. Good luck! Regards, miKKo

    http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9521623

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