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Posted 2 years ago

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Agustin
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This is an porcelain Tobacco Jar , I believe a very old Meissen, the lid has an old restoration with metal with clamps.
In the inner edge of the lid has had a writing, an 80 % missed.

Presents a crack cooking at one side
Is unmarked.

H. 9,75 inch.

Please I need your help with this piece.
Thanks

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  1. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Very nice ! How interesting also as she is dressed in kimono and has blond hair ! I would not think it was a humidor as they have a humidity controlled environment and the gauge would be inside . She looks more like a Cookie Jar on first glance . I love her face ! How tall and wide is she ?
  2. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    Thank you. Its H is 9,75 inch.
  3. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Can you tell me is there also writing in gold on inner lid beside the scroll mark ? and what it says ?That is also the most drastic repair I ever saw to porcelain they actually drilled into it to place the metal clamps wow
  4. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    This type of restoration with staples are very common in the antiquity. This tobacco jar is very old, its restoration may be of the end of the 18.th century.
  5. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Very interesting agustin on the restoring . I am not an expert on your type of Jar but antique china dolls that are very similar I have seen with broken breast plates and never saw this type of restoring . Can I ask why you are sure it is a humidor and what would have kept cigars at right temp ? Just curious and learning . Her face so reminds me of dolls I have seen and collected in China and I am familiar with Meissen as they did some amazing pieces . They made some of the most sought after China dolls
    The earliest and rarest of the antique porcelain china dolls date from the 1840s and were made by pioneer porcelain makers such as German companies KPM Berlin (Konigliche Porzellan Manufaktur c.1763 -present), Meissen (1710 - present), and Royal Copenhagen of Denmark (1775 – present). These china dolls are of the highest quality. China dolls from this early period seldom come up for sale, and when they do, they command high prices . Meissen did mark all with crossed swords . Just trading info and hoping to learn something from your beautiful piece and someone can positively ID it for you :-)
  6. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    Thank you Manikin, Following is the info on the clamps or "laña"
    ARCHAEOLOGY AND ETHNOGRAPHY OF THE “LAÑA” AND OF POTTERY CONSERVATION The term "laña" refers to a U-shaped metal loop with pointed ends traditionally used to prevent the progression of cracks in a vessel or in order to hold together pieces of broken pottery vessels. Starting in the Bronze Age, several binding techniques can be traced, of which the only remaining proof may be the holes found in vessels. Approach- ing the "laña" as a stitching technique, several types may be identified: sewing withorganic materials (such as textiles), metal staples, metal clamps and finally the prop- er "laña". Also mentioned are putty, refilling and sealing materials for cracks and joints,as well as adhesive materials used by various, usually travelling, craftsmen.Keywords: "laña", conservation, restoration, pottery, adhesive materials, travelling craftsmen.

    from:
    http://independent.academia.edu/EnriqueEchevarr%C3%ADaAlonsoCort%C3%A9s/Papers/1524521/Arqueologia_y_etnografia_de_la_lana_y_de_la_conservacion_de_ceramicas
  7. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    ReallyI have made a mistake, it is a tobacco jar, not a humidor. Excuseme
  8. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Thanks :-) I have seen other techniques that are listed . I am glad no one put clamps into a China doll , but then it would have been a potential injury to child that played with it so it would make sense they were never used on dolls :-) Very interesting .
  9. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    Dear Manikin, the porcelain dolls' heads is so thin and delicate that would not admit any type of clamps. Luckily !!! :) thank you.
  10. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    OK the cigar jar makes more sense than a humidor :-) Gotcha ya now .
    China dolls head actually are quite thick as thick as your Jar lid . Depending on size .
    OK now I thank you I was lost on the humidor it didn't make sense . I appreciate our exchange of thinking :-)
  11. Agustin Agustin, 2 years ago
    Heheheh, yes is a tobacco box ( for tobacco pipe). For me it was also a pleasure, despite my poor English. :-)
  12. Manikin Manikin, 2 years ago
    Agustin your English was good no problem . As soon as it became a Cigar Jar I could see it! when you said it was a Humidor I got lost for awhile but we know what we are looking for now :-) . I hope we can find one like her to positively ID . I am looking :-)

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