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Posted 11 months ago

ho2cultcha
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i picked this up the other day and i don't know a wit of german, so i'm not sure of anything about it. can anyone tell me what it is and how old it is? thanks!

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1. mustangtony, 11 months ago
   I am only half German so I can only figure out part of it.
   Baumgarten = orchard, but I cannot translate Baumgartenlein.
   It reads something like this "Orchard planted with the most beautiful devotions for Catholic Christians", something? "with the Superiors". "Introduction."
   "Druck und Verlag" = Printing and Publishing - by Eberle, Kazin & Company, New York and Cincinnati. (You do have a German language Bible but it was printed and published in the U.S.)
2. ho2cultcha, 11 months ago
   hmmm... thanks mustangtony and bellin68. i wonder why a german bible would be printed here in the usa?
3. miKKoChristmas11, 11 months ago
   Hi, all. Fascinating and beautiful work here. Wish I had time to work on this, but I don't. Must get back to Doniphan! Glad mustangtony's here on this. What a boon to have Tony working on this!
   
   I did a very quick search and didn't find "baumgartlein" translated. I also couldn't open several interesting sites I found on the internet. These would have required me to download software, and I am not willing to do this. I don't have time to work on this one, but I have some observations to make....I can't enlarge the photos, so I really can't read the text well enough to work on it. If you would like more information on it, I suggest that you provide a better photos of the printed pages. : ) I think that this is perhaps a Catholic devotional work, not a bible. There are many Catholic Marian devotional works with titles like 'The Garden of Mary', etc. Notice the prominent image of Mary as the Queen of Heaven, surrounded by a wreath of flowers. I should dearly love to examine an enlarged image in better focus, one with the printed text beneath it legible. That could provide an important dating clue.
   
   German immigrants tended to retain their German traditions and celebrate their native culture more than many other immigrant 'peoples' of this period, e.g., the Irish. Perhaps more than all other major immigrant groups. It would not be unusual to find a Catholic devotional work published in German in the USA during this period. If this were a copy of the divine office, I would expect it to be in Latin, or at least to feature a Latin text and a German transaltion of that text. Follows an interesting link that bears witness to the fact that German immigrants to the U.S. clung to their traditions and purchased German language devotional works published in the U.S.
   
   http://aborer1962.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-never-made-it-to-print-either.html
   
   Mustangtony, how sure are you that this is a Bible? I think that this might contain biblical text, but it doesn't look like a bible to me. Of course, I cannot read the title page!, and I am very ingnorant of German devotional works. Ho2cultcha, do you think that you could open up another Show and Tell entry for this item - and provide focused photos there of the title page, the illustration, and one page from the text? Also, you might examine the book for ackknowledgements and sources. Thanks! Good luck, guys! miKKo
   
   Follows a link to a page that has a set of questions that elicit information important to dating an antique bible.
   
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4. mustangtony, 11 months ago
   miKKO - I'm not so sure its a Bible, only a Religious book. I only related to the Catholic Christians part. When I tried to translate "Baumgartlein" it kept correcting the text to "Do you mean Baumgarten" which means "orchard" because I knew baum is a tree so baumgarten would be tree orchard. (Oh, Tannenbaum!) You are probably closer with it being a Prayer book. It is sort of like the Czechoslovakian Prayer Book I posted recently. It is hard enough to translate already but that German script writing can make you insane sometimes.
5. miKKoChristmas11, 11 months ago
   Oh, Tony, thanks in very good part to your translation this morning, I was sure it wasn't a bible. It took me a long time to find out what Baumgartenlein meant - "Little Orchard". It is a prayer book. Yes, you are correct. I was ready for the 'B' not being a "B", and being careful with 'p', 'f', 'l', and the 'non-l-that-is-really-an-s', but it still threw me. Thank goodness for the online lettering guides - and thank goodness for the new photos. I must have missed your Czech prayerbook! I was just signing off tonight because I'm brain dead now, but I shall certainly give that book a good look tomorrow! I've never seen a Czech prayer book. : D Have a good evening, all! miKKo

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