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Posted 2 years ago

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jericho
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Here is a real mystery decor some would say is Loetz Ausfuhrung 136. It may be jumping to conclusions to say that loetz was the only maker that could make such a decor. After all it would seem simple for any company to make the same decor- base glass with (copper flaked) glass chips applied to the surface. There are many companies that used copper rods among them Reidel, Rindscopf, Kralik, Welz and others... here are a few pics that show the exact decor. Pic 3 has an importers mark

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  1. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    I agree, BELLIN68! Beautiful! I especially love the the first one. Sorry I know nothing to help you with these. (and BELLIN, I haven't found out anything about our other mystery yet. Sorry I couldn't find where you posted your question to answer you before now.)
  2. Alfredo Alfredo, 2 years ago
    The one Czech company to show this decor in a catalog is Ruckl. I think Italians also did it. Pic. 1 is Metallit on black. The mark on the third corresponds to the mark in one of my shades and vases.
  3. jericho jericho, 2 years ago
    absolutely al, many companies produced cased copper, and other metals
  4. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Not sure about the first example but the others look like Ruckl Metallit. If you need a copy of the "unpublished" Ruckl decor tables showing this decor please let me know. Those readers without the decor tables can compare the aventurine spots on the vases above to the green aventurine spots on this Ruckl vase cw posting by Alfredo.

    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/75820-monumental-ruckl-coral-shimmy-vase
  5. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Looking at a written description of a decor doesn't remotely compare to looking at a color decor table illustration from the manufacturer. Apples and oranges IMHO.
  6. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Do you have a copy of the "unpublished" Ruckl decors?
  7. jericho jericho, 7 months ago
    i think we all do, the descriptions make sense with the decor, tango with cased copper flakes are a simpke enough decor to copy.... so then other things like shape, size, thickness and rim types become more important in making the determination
  8. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    Craig That is fine you have your opinion !!! But at the same time Please don't force it on anyone else !!! Its not right and its not fair!!
  9. Alfredo Alfredo, 7 months ago
    I have a little cobalt blue vase with this kind of aventurine and a huge polished pontil mark. I love it but have not photographed it. My take: if it were Italian it would not have that pontil. I have always thought it Czech. But you know my recently developed aversion to hasty attributions.
  10. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    I agree hasty attributions.
  11. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    There's nothing hasty about a Ruckl attribution on this decor. Jericho suggested Ruckl at time of posting two years ago. Alfredo said it is a a documented Ruckl decor 1 years ago. Two years ago you agree that it ASUF 140 is likely Ruckl. Yesterday we find a ASUF 140 shape link to Ruckl production and you act surprised?
  12. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    I guess this is why I get frustrated because it just keeps on changing!! . ive just have come to terms ,in fact its just a very beautiful Czech art glass .......
  13. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    exported of course.....
  14. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    I really don't give a dam anymore !!
  15. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    I meant my comment towards craig!!!
  16. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    Jericho please remove my comments!!!!!! Thank you :)
  17. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 months ago
    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  18. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Sorry, that wasn't Leah's comment? It was mine. The comment was deleted because I used my wife's account to reply by accident.
  19. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Thanks WB, Regarding you copper question, which I guess is directed at me, although Jericho claims it's copper in the posting. It's irrelevant as it was by shape that the Ruckl connection was made, not by decor. This was noted above in comment #17.
  20. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    1) My attribution to Ruckl had nothing to do with the decor table. It was the shape that caught my eye, not the decor.

    I never said what the sparkly compound was but my best guess is that it's encapsulated metal per the definition.. Metallit: Consisting of one or more metals or metal salts.

    2) Every company likely had the capacity to manufacture blue.

    3) I found this to be Ruckl by accident using research I have been working on for a good while now. I am very appreciative of this posting by Jericho but it neither changed or contributed to my attribution. My research methods were not altered to achieve the results I desired.
  21. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    1) Initially it was the 3rd shape that caught my eye. Now I feel pretty good about the second one too. There's more than one way to look at how it connects. I usually make sure of that before sharing. The most direct would be that these shapes come in other decors which closely match the Ruckl decor tables.

    If you have a problem with others attributions that led to my decision then you would be best to direct your question to that individual.

    2) Metallit in Czech translates to metalline in English which means containing one or more metals or metallic salts.

    3) I'm completely confident that you already know what I'm talking about.
  22. charcoal charcoal, 7 months ago
    Really seems odd to me that you repeatedly question the use of labels, catalog reprints, and decor tables. These are considered primary documentation as they were published by the manufacturer. Please feel free to add similar documentation to your CW Welz postings. After you do I will gladly return and more fully answer your questions. Until then, as my comments are being misconstrued, I am finished with this silly conversation.

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