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Art Glass5222 of 8537Floris Meydam ( 1919-2011)bohemian uranium silver overlay vase
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Posted 2 years ago

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Justanovice
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When I tried to find out a little about these vases I looked at Twentieth Century Glass and found very similar vases attributed to Ludwig Moser. I therefore thought that was correct. I then (first comment ever on CW) told Scottvez to check out Ludwig Moser as he had a similar trophy shape vase to be identified. I then read the responses to his post which said, more likely to be Frank Welz! So here are mine any ideas?! They both have a decoration on the front and are they known as 'ox blood' in colour? Many thanks if you can help:-)

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  1. scottvez scottvez, 2 years ago
    BEAUTIFUL-- I like the subtle enamel work on them!

    scott
  2. czechman czechman, 2 years ago
    very beautiful indeed!!
  3. czechman czechman, 2 years ago
    Franz Welz
  4. czechman czechman, 2 years ago
    http://www.google.com/search?q=franz+welz+glass&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hgliUOnRJJGi8ASVq4HwBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=754
  5. Justanovice Justanovice, 2 years ago
    Thank you for the Love it - BELLIN68, scottvez, Scandinavian_pieces and czechman for the link and the spelling too!
  6. inky inky, 2 years ago
    FANTASTIC!!!!!...:-)
  7. Justanovice Justanovice, 2 years ago
    Thank you inky!!
  8. Justanovice Justanovice, 2 years ago
    Thank you ozmarty and LeahGoodwin for the Love it!:)
  9. Justanovice Justanovice, 2 years ago
    Thank you Obscurities, it was your comment to scotvez that sorted me out!! So glad I found this site!!
  10. bethelam bethelam, 2 years ago
    I have a similar vase I'm trying to I.d. You thanked obscurities for helping you sort it out but I can't find their comment. I'd appreciate a little direction.
  11. scottvez scottvez, 2 years ago
    Link to obscurities comments on my trophy vases:

    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/64047-trophy-style-vases

    scott
  12. Justanovice Justanovice, 2 years ago
    scottvez has left you a link so you can i.d. your trophy vase!
  13. jericho jericho, 1 year ago
    Trophy vases are pre-1918 (more like 1900). They may have been made by any number of Bohemian companies but Welz is the most likely because a few of the decors crossed over into new shapes. The enameling may have been done by Moser or another Moser type refinery- I have a similar set of six with the exact same shape, two distinct kinds of enameling and one without any enameling at all. Great set!
  14. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    Jericho! Thank you so much for your information about my Welz trophy vases!
    I suppose the Moser type refinery is where the Twentieth Century Glass get there attribution from. Big learning curve for so many glass makers that I think I will always be Justanovice!! Thanks again!
  15. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    Thank you Deanteaks for the Love!
  16. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 1 year ago
    the quality of moser enamelling is top notch.. This wouldn't be in the same league. I personally doubt that moser was responsible for any of the pieces in this shape. YMMV. The Yellow variegated that Moser and Harrach did were different from most of the variegated you see on the market.
  17. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 1 year ago
    I am going to stay out of the welz Ruckl debate other than to say I'd believe either of those makers for this.
  18. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 1 year ago
    or both
  19. LeahGoodwin LeahGoodwin, 1 year ago
    Also in regards to the CW post about enamel relating to Moser. I agree with Elisa. The type of enameling on this post does matches with the decor on the Ruckl pieces from the first or second story I did. The style and colour of enamel are the same. Also, the hand painted pattern of the shell is done on other shapes and colours in this same style of glass. In the Truitts, the trophy shape is 1910. This trophy shape I believe is an earlier shape. After all, it is not marked "Made in Czechoslovakia." Of the Ruckl pieces I have they are cased glass indeed. To have an impression that Ruckl was the only company to produce cased glass... is twisting comments around when it is known that cased glass is a method. The point that is to be established is this glass is certainly cased which is a marker to understand how it was made. Bold opaque colours were started and munipulated in 1903 which helps undertsand the time frame of when it started to take trend. Decors shifted into different shapes for over 20 years. It is a lot to sort through. Much still needs to be researched and this trophy vase does not corresponds with Welz. Research evolves. Ruckl will be established in it's own timing. I handled way to much of this glass to see there is a connection with Ruckl. Not everything is Welz like it seemed before as new research and proof comes forward in regards to this subject. The issue with Welz in this style of glass, only a handful of shapes are to known and three colour decors. That's it.....
  20. LeahGoodwin LeahGoodwin, 1 year ago
    I think the comment was meant to be taken in general, not to find fault. Clear casing is common on most of this type of glass. However, amber and vaseline was used as well.

    Of my examples, I do have this decor and will explain what the layers are so there is an understanding of what the casing does consists of. Keep in mind the first three layers are paper thin sheets of glass. The outer casing is thicker.

    For this example shown above the layers are described starting with the first inner layer.

    1. amber
    2. white.
    3. oxblood spatter is applied over the white.
    4. amber

    If the white and oxblood were one layer, the oxblood would be showing on the inside of the glass like it does on the exterior, but it does not.
  21. LeahGoodwin LeahGoodwin, 1 year ago
    Sorry, but the colour is not "Canari" from the Ruckl Art Deco Czech era.
  22. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    I have posted picture of the top view of one of these vases if that is helpful in this debate! Thank you all for these very interesting comments - lot of learning to do!!
  23. epson233 epson233, 1 year ago
    love the vases -- and wanted to say thanks to all that commented and educated the rest of us that have the passion for glass -- was amazed with leahgoodwin -- you should be honored -- usually just does the "loves" -- certainly blew me out of the water with all her knowledge
  24. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    I know 'amazing' are they not? I love it that the CW crew give their knowledge and expertise so willingly!! Thank you all so much from me also!!
  25. epson233 epson233, 1 year ago
    placed you on my follow list -- encase you start anymore forest fires -- i want to be there -- tootles -- enjoy your weekend
  26. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    Thank you epson233 - did not mean to start any forest fires LOL!!! Will chase up that link you have left for my lovely 'Boy and Fish' as soon as my visitors look after themselves and give me 5 minutes to do my own thing!!
  27. Justanovice Justanovice, 1 year ago
    Obscurities, I will check that out for you in natural light and get back to you tomorrow as it is winter's dark 'early' evening here!
  28. LeahGoodwin LeahGoodwin, 1 year ago
    Glad to see the inner lining. This would be a decor shift and a first for me to see in the colour variation. Thank you for posting Justanovice. Nice to know there is more colour casing variations. I do have a few of these decors, but not as you have shown.

    I agree this is something still to be researched and has not been researched enough. Going to keep it simple here and give Thanks to Epison233 and Justanovice for the wonderful recognition. Glad there is a great interest on the subject. There is many examples to speak for themselves and it is just a matter of time to connect the dots.
  29. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 1 year ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSb7mlz7Hag

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