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Posted 2 years ago

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filmnet
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This plastic print is 2 1/2" by 2" mounted on very old paper, the plastic has small vertical grooves on it. And the brush colors are around it, I wonder where this came from what years.

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  1. bratjdd bratjdd, 2 years ago
    What a cute baby! Love the design of the chair do you the name of it? Thanks for sharing.
  2. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    No nothing written on this, but its sure old!!
  3. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    This was found in a box with papers, letters from 1868-1915
  4. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    I believe it is a celluloid photo.
  5. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    Hopefully scottvez or rniederman can add their input on this
  6. scottvez scottvez, 2 years ago
    Based off of appearance, it looks like an 1860s- 1870s tinted albumen print. It looks like the back paper was what the tinter used to match/ mix his colors for the tinting.

    I am not sure I understand the "plastic print" part of the description. That is not something normally associated with an albumen.

    There was an enamel process that added a layer of clear enamel over a photograph, thereby making it safe from water or other liquid spills.

    Is there a way to take additional photos of the "grooves" in the plastic?

    I wish I could see it in person!

    scott
  7. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Scott i will get shots for you tomorrow, it is thick, looks like plastic
  8. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    Can you scan it?
  9. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    walk , This is a scan. Photos very close up withe the right light will show the grooves. and a corner shot of the piece will show how thick it is/ I will shot hese today and post here.
  10. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    Is it Ivory?
    http://albumen.conservation-us.org/technology/
  11. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    reference to the Schreger lines in Ivory
    http://albumen.conservation-us.org/library/c19/fry.html

    I'm just guessing, let's see what scottvez has to say.
  12. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Thanks Walksoftly I looked at these pages i need some sample shot of Ivory prints or painting. I have ivory from my family we lived in Thailand 1960 for 3 years.
  13. Kathycat Kathycat, 2 years ago
    CW, needs to add a "Double LOVE IT"!!!!!!
  14. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    Samples on this site
    http://collections.museumca.org/?q=collection-item/h7577240
  15. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Walk i looked on the site the museum website the shots of these are terrible, dark.
    I cant find any thing which looks like this, could be ivory with a print, and i now see the painting might be made to cut for an Oval Portrait Miniature?
  16. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Its now coming together, this must be Ivory, beautiful color, and ready to cut for a Oval Portrait Miniature.
  17. walksoftly walksoftly, 2 years ago
    I hadn't even paid attention to the unfinished/test colors outside the oval, but I had thought about Ivory miniatures.
    It appears we may have an answer.
  18. inky inky, 2 years ago
    Looks like he/she is really putting up with the moment..lol...cute!..:-)

    For bratjdd..the chair is a Victorian nursing chair
  19. scottvez scottvez, 2 years ago
    I don't know.

    Looking at the hands, it does look more like a painting than a tinted photograph.

    At first I thought it was photographic based, but I am no longer sure of that either!

    Interesting image.

    scott
  20. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Scott and Walksoftley i sent this to the best collector in USA Elle Shushan a nice women here is what she said. And her website
    Hi Steve -
    Yes, I think the painting is on ivory, over a photographic image.
    Best,
    Elle
    http://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm
  21. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Most beautiful!
  22. filmnet filmnet, 2 years ago
    Here is a new email i received from a pro about portrait Miniatures
    Hi Steve,
    Thank you for the image. It does appear to be on ivory. Without seeing a close-up of the face it is hard to be sure, but it appears to be an early example of a photograph developed on ivory and then hand coloured.

    This method, on an ivory or milk glass base, became quite common in the early 20C and so it may be that your portrait of c1860-1880 was copied as a photograph of a daguerreotype of that earlier date, and later developed on the ivory base.

    I hope that helps?
    Kind regards
    Don Shelton
    Auckland NZ
    http://portrait-miniature.blogspot.com/

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