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Posted 2 years ago

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Bikenstein
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I'm assuming this is a cigarette case. I found it at a flea market, a Poole Silver Co. plated box with wood liner. The odd thing about it is it's engraved " In Appreciation W R Lathrop Jr" , ex president of the Southern Life and Health Insurance Co whose logo is stamped in the lid. I guess at the time he gave this as a gift, smokin wasn't known to be hazardous to your health. Anyway it has Poole Silver Co. 2000 on the back. I don't think that's a year indication because he died long before that. Maybe the box was also used for somethin else. Anybody know how to date this?

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  1. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Interesting little puzzle you have! Poole was absorbed by Towle in 1971. You didn't post a hallmark for your piece, so I can't compare it to any of the marks I find in the reference works under Poole or Towle. Dorothy Rainwater's "Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers" (5th edition) gives quite a number of Poole hallmarks on p.186. Here's a link to a Poole STERLING hallmark. (I don't think that your box is sterling, but this is the hallmark I found online.) None of the hallmarks for Towle in Rainwater match or are similar to any of the Poole hallmarks in Rainwater.

    Because it is lined with wood, I rather think that it's probably a cigarette box for the home, and not a cigarette case to carry on one's person. What are the dimensions, please? I don't know anything at all about vintage and antique cigarette cases and boxes, but someone will. Hopefully, soon.

    http://www.925-1000.com/americansilver_P2.html
  2. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    Thanks AmberRose. You're right Mikko, it's not sterling and there is no hallmark visible. On the back, it reads EPCA POOLE SILVER CO 2000. Thanks for your comment.
  3. Hems303 Hems303, 2 years ago
    Hi Bikenstein (just love the name)...Love this piece but really wanted you know about scandinavian_pieces' "love" missing off your post; for explanation see comments 35 & 36 and LINKS; in my Norton post where you left comment about her:
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/67682-my-norton-commando-750
  4. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    Hi Hems303. Thanks for the information. Sounds like she was really loved here. There seems to be some good camaraderie to be found on this site. My wife gave me the name for revivin' old motorcycles lol.
  5. Hems303 Hems303, 2 years ago
    No worries Bikenstein" (lol), Ride Safe!
  6. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, follow some links to provide info on your piece. Poole didn't date their silver, and so 2000 stands for something else, possibly a style number. First link provides advice for assessing a date range for Poole Silver items.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_12082250_manufacture-date-poole-silver-plate.html

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/poole-silver-co-cigarette-box

    http://www.silvercollection.it/AMERICANSILVERPLATEMARKSP.html

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_epca_silver_mean

    http://www.silversmithing.com/1forum.htm
  7. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    Thanks for the links miKKoChristmas11. I know it has little value because it's epca, it's still unusually heavy though. I can see it will be hard to date.
  8. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, Bikenstein! I wouldn't assume that it's not worth very much because it's EPCA, sir. Some non-sterling items are of very high quality. If there are portions of silver loss, then it might not be worth much from a commercial viewpoint. If there is no silver loss, the engraving is fine, and there is no damage to the wood lining or box, then it could have some commercial value. Yes, it would be worth more if sterling. Yes, it will be hard to date. You could ask Poole for how many years they made this box, and you could research and see when the previous owner retired. Best wishes for success! : )
  9. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    miKKo, I had researched Mr. Lathrop and found several posts. For some reason, I now find nothing. I read he had retired in 81 and did much for the city of Birmingham Al, even being involved with the arts, I believe. I read his obituary in several places last week but I can't find anything today except for a listing of his birth and death date in a people search at faqs.org.
  10. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, birkenstein! Yes, that sometimes happens on the web - no, you're not going crazy. I found a 12-21-1991 "Baltimore Sun" obit that indicated that William Romeyn Lathrop Jr retired in 1981.

    "...who retired as president of Southern Life and Health Insurance Co. of Birmingham, Ala. in 1981..."

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-12-29/news/1991363076_1_satellite-communications-fort-monmouth-war-ii

    So, your box likely was produced before 1982. If you contact Poole - which is now owned by Towle - you might well be able to find the date of first issue of this design. Then, your box would have a date range. : D
  11. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    Thanks miKKo :). I think it could be much earlier than 82 to make it appropriate for a president of an insurance company to give a cigarette box for a gift! Thanks for your interest and help.
  12. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 years ago
    Thanks Phil
  13. kraadams, 2 months ago
    I have a question for you Bikenstein: Did u ever find out anythibg about your box? I'm asking because believe it or not I actually have a box just like it! Even has the same engraving, "In Appreciation. M R Lathrop Jr". I can't seem to find much on it but ran across your questions here. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
  14. Bikenstein Bikenstein, 2 months ago
    kraadams, That's pretty cool you found another one. No, I haven't found anything else on it. Oh well

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