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Posted 6 months ago
JayHow
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I AM NO EXPERT !Picked this beautiful vase from a wonderful lady that I met who wanted to reduce her house. I have no idea who made this vase and but it is the most calibrated and perfect shape I have seen in 20 years of looking and collecting glass....I need HELP. This is a special piece, but I dont know why or how. If anyone has ANY information on this I would love to know.
I also wanted to add that the lady who owned this vase before me said it was part of her inheritance from her Grandmother. She is now in her late 50's early 60's I would say so that would date this to the late 1800's or early 1900's...thought that bit of information would help anyone who might have a clue.
The Pontil is smooth and Cupped although Im thinking that maybe this vase was assembled after making two pieces and joining them at the "ball" between the vase and the base of the vase if that makes any sense. The top and bottom edges are sharp as if they have been hand ground and they are also very precise to the leveling of the vase as well. Thanks to all who have been trying to help me figure this one out. Much appreciation out to you all. You know who you are!
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stunning JayHow , wow i love this very much :)
well do we not love this all from the comments -- but does anyone recognize it for research -- hopefully a lead will come in
Thanks for the love Bellin 68, but the magic question is...Do you recognize the maker at all, or have any feelings towards a lead that might get me more information? This one has me really stumped!
Thanks for the Love Epson233! I agree, I NEED someone to give me any feelings or thoughts of who could be the maker. Thanks for your comment, You too Bellin68
HELLO JayHow , ive never seen any thing like this before :0 but i have to say it is very stunning:)
Thanks Bellin68, Thanks for responding anyhow. I thought maybe with all your Goodwill experiance that maybe you might have seen or known something about it. I appreciate the Honesty too, there are some that would of sent me on a wild goose chase just because they wanted to. So thank you for your comments they are greatly appreciated. Have you had any time to think on your duplicates yet?
the goodwills here are hard to judge :) i have no duplicates , but ihave been out thrifting and looking for you :)
:) Okay, I wasnt talking about the orrefors as I remember you said you did not have any. I was referring to some of the other glass you have posted, but I must be mistaken, my appologies.
Oh, and thank you Bellin68 for keeping me in mind. Much gratitude from here in Ohio.
I have added to my post, please read what it says. Thanks
typing one handed due to kitteh sleeping on other arm, pls scuse typos.
bohemian. 1870-1920 large range but this is kind of a generic shape. i'd tend to think middle of that range. it's cased glass. outer layer looks like it is almost certainly uranium glass. there is no pontil scar at all let alone a polished one. this is called a hollow foot (if i am not having a brain fart and misremembering terms.) it was cut off at the base from the mold. it is absolutely not steuben.
look at the way the very bottom has a ring and is kind of rough looking... that is where it was sheared off.
Thank you Greatsnowyowl. I thought possibly uranium glass as well, but it is not. Put it under the UV light the minute I got home with it. Bummer, I love that stuff! Thanks for the Hollow Foot name, I must have been brain farting myself and could not figure out how to describe it. I am confused though about the last comment. Where are you referring to the rought part and the ring? Im lost on that one. The reason I thought Stueben is the color is so close to what I have seen of his glass. Is there any bohemian companies that come to mind and did they put the metal fring around them in those times. Im thinking yes but would like your opinion.Thanks for your comments!
whoops guess its not rough. they did polish the base foot ring. it's the very rim of the foot. that's where they cut off the glass from the mold. It's definitely not american. Steuben never finished glass the way this piece is finished. I don't know what the metal ring around the edge is about. that isn't a typical feature of any particular company. It's a quality piece but it really could have been made by any number of factories.
You know, I wondered myself if the ring was applied later by the owner, she has passed away and there is no chance to ask her. Im assuming when you say that its Bohemian you are talking because of the shape of the vase? When you refer to Stueben not finishing glass like this what are you referring to? the Ground foot and rim? Pardon me as Im not sure what exactly you are talking about here? The Pics may not show the color as well online but its a color green that is not emerald and not jade, and not a common green...could that be a lead as to who made it?
My next guess was maybe this might have been a Kralik piece, but then they acid etched the glass they made, correct? Greatsnowyowl?
the color doesn't matter. you can't attribute a piece based on color alone. numerous companies did similar glass formulas to compete with each other. The way the piece is finished is referring to the way the foot is finished, that indicates how the piece was made.
the way the foot on this is finished on this piece is not at all typical of american glass.
the way this is finished is fairly typical of some bohemian glass. It could be other european countries as well but bohemia is most likely.
Actually this shape does ring some bells. But I am not going to throw out names because I am not at all sure at this point. I'll look around a little.
it could be kralik. they acid etched some pieces but definitely not all. the acid etch was after 1918 and sometimes they used paper labels for that. I am not thinking kralik though. I tend to think this was probably a little better than kralik.
Stop It, You are getting my heart beating through my chest, Better than Kralik? Really. You must share with me, I could research some too! Thanks so much already!
Unfortunately I am not at all well versed in the European glass but am willing to learn as much as possible. I LOVE all kinds of glass, but yours is the best!
this might be loetz. the shape is very similar to one of their later shapes. I'm on my laptop not my main computer with dual monitors (it lets me compare stuff easier) Not familiar with the coloring for loetz but the shape sure looks similar.
OMG! I was thinking Loetz but was too afraid to say it. I have always dreamed of owning a Loetz but never thought I could pay for one. I am Really Excited now! I looked at nearly 1000 pieces that night of some GREAT glass, but inside my head I was saying this one is special, get it if you can. I will be seeing this woman again in the future as she is selling it all! Any sites that I can look into on Loetz that may reveal if this is one?
I'm looking for the shape somewhere. it's a later shape. tango glass was made in this (or a very similar shape) and so was some of the ausfurhung glass. I think the date would be 1915-1925 period.
That would make sense, as it was her grandmothers before she passed. I think I mention that I though it was early 1900's in my first posting. You truely are a master of glass Greatsnowyowl. I owe you a huge one if this is a loetz! Do you recon this is common or would loetz make just one of a kind pieces? I need to learn fast before I die of Excitement! Big Grin Here!
Greatsnowyowl, I think you may have nailed it. The foot and "ball" of this vase is EXACTLY like some of the Loetz ausfurhung vases that I saw on google. What does the Ausfurhung part stand for? If you could tell me?
don't get too excited yet. it may just be a similar shape to loetz. The bohemian manufacturers copied each other relentlessly. But in this time period they were all over the place with what they were doing so who knows. *shrug* My memory for exact details on shape isn't the best. that's why I didn't want to name any names before looking around a little.
ausfurung is basically another way of saying decor. it's referring to the pattern on the glass not the shape.
https://46798ddf-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/loetzglass/ausfuehrungen/Yllwlamp.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crJ7Bg7YU3UtS3PNCX7ZbwgIaqRw0ayX001WsSj5VIlQHudaHYucFw57Ch-1UkQfFIJEKVskvH6gepWYkP67ii9HWPac0ptPeYu5RmOfO7dVc-Rea6bXuDTr-rRemg38jrxyH6V2uu3c80QUj335PpJQtnQGP_wu9ePFQfMJAwhei5R12EBkqKW0dqjBhGK7gA3BZTxTjx1VQH7cqXr_k0S8GJvkUcp1dvdeyTxw6j-IUa5lkI%3D&attredirects=0
this piece is the one I've been able to find so far. the foot and ball are a little different here but I've been hoping to find a few other examples of this shape as well to compare if it ever varied.
Oh I understand that. The same thing was done here in the US. There are many copycats out there. I wont get too excited but I would be lying if I said it isnt bone chilling at the same time. I also agree with you it is QUALITY above most the glass I have seen anyhow. That was one of the reasons I liked it so much!
that said, I am kind of leaning towards this being a copy cat shape from one of the other companies. Still good quality stuff though.
That is too funny, check this out...http://vandm.com/Art-Deco-Period-Iridescent-Loetz-Glass-Vase-with-Ausf%c3%bchrung-226-Decor/1_266_product=118701.aspx?newsignup=1#
Awe...I hope not, but will only be a small bit disappointed because then I wont be able to retire! LOL... No matter what happens I am in love with this vase and am very happy to have it. Do you have any names of the copycat companies that might of made it?
Sorry Greatsnowyowl, after almost 5 hours of this computer screen, I think my eyes are gonna start crossing. I need to go to bed here soon. Its 3:21am where I am and everything is getting fuzzy! Thank you so much for what you have already taught me, You're the BEST! I will pursue this some more later today, and maybe we can continue our discussion on it too. Goodnight....
Jean Beck, Harrach, Josephinenhuette, Annin, are a few that spring to mind. of course if it's copying Loetz, Kralik does have to be thought of as well. Have a good evening. Some of the people that specialize more in the deco periods than I do might see this and offer more insight.
Thanks for the love Senchi and AmberRose
after looking at some of my photos from the museums in cz, I actually think Kralik might be a very strong candidate for this piece.
I found another piece of this for sale at a very reasonable price if you're interested in another example.
hello, Greatsnowyowl. Im thrilled to learn that you found more out. anything you can forward to me?
I also contacted the lady i purchased it through and found out her grandfather purchased it in germany during WWI so that also helps put a timeline to the piece. was kralil around during those times? I do not know much about them.
well again -- i would say many are trying to help -- just be patient someone will know -- the confusing thing about this to me is it appears to be one piece with no gluing -- which is in my opinion not possible -- unless you are some type of houdini or magician -- i was involved with wheaton glass factory in my career days -- so i remember what i saw on the floors of manufacturing -- this one is a total stumper -- and i believe very old -- stay on task with the late 1800s -- hopefully the former owner will share more information with you
Sorry I have been away for several days. Greatsnowyowl, were you able to find any refence to the vase as of yet. I did look at the sites you mentioned. What refence were you talking about as for a similar one for sale at a reasonable price?
Thanks for your comment Epson 233!
here's a cw members post on a vase with the similar metal work -- it may have some additional information for you on yours
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/45896-kralik-silberband-crimped-bowl-w-secess?in=activity