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Posted 4 months ago
allirish
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Obtained these via an auction in a box lot. I didn't even know they were included nor did I have any idea what they were. After speaking with some experts in the UK they told me they were most likely made in HAIDA circa 1910 and probably by one of the glass schools either Weiner Werkstatte or Glasfachschule?
I looked in my one and only art glass book and there are examples from HAIDA and the two schools that are almost the same but none the same shape. The value according to that book runs anywhere from $500 up to $20,000 depending on who painted and made them. I'm still working on finding more information out but so far no luck.
These also have a "Pauly & C" label attached which is in Murano and one of the oldest glass makers in Murano. From what I've been told back in the early 1900's they retailed glass before starting to make their own. Anyone from Archimede Seguso to Powolny sold glass there so it's been very hard to figure anything out about this set.
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There were two Technical Colleges, one in Haida, now called Novy Bor and the other just a few miles away in Kamenicky Senov aka Steinschönau.
Wonderful to have a pair and the lids too!
Check out this google search:
" Haida Schwarzlot"
The black enamel decor is called Schwarzlot in German.
The form in German is called a 'deckelpokal'.
Check out this one:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4268731
You have a pair.
WOW! I just now was able to look back on the site and was pleasantly surprised to see your comments.
Vetraio50....Thank you so very, very much. I'm going to look at the link right now.
examine the scenes very carefully for letters or ciphers there might be an artists signature in there somewhere.
Greatsnowyowl.... Thank you. I will search on them again. Is there anything special I should be looking for that you know of?
vetraio50, Do you know where the Weiner Werkstatte school is then? I know it was opened by Moser and Josef Hoffmann. I think it was in Vienna?
Hi there irishlassie!
Vienna in German is Wien, pronounced 'veen'.
Wiener is the adjective 'Viennese'.
Wiener Schnitzel = Viennese Schnitzel.
Wiener Werkstätte = Viennese Workshops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener_Werkstätte
"In 1903, two of the founding members of the Vienna Secession, architect and designer Josef Hoffmann and artist and designer Koloman Moser, with financial support from the Jewish textile industrialist Fritz Wärndorfer, set up a production cooperative of craftsmen called the Wiener Werkstätte (Vienna Workshop)."
Great link here:
http://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/vienna
Your pieces are a reply to this movement from Bohemian makers.
Bohemia and Austria have a complex and enthralling relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia
You can learn quite a lot from this pair of Pokals!
vetraio50,
Thank you so much. I'm a math person. I'm horrible with history and geography. I'm learning though, the Smithsonian channel gives me wonderful history lessons as does military channel and many others. ;)
I haven't been called an Irish Lassie since my daddy passed away, thank you. I was even born on St. Patrick's day, my Dad loved that.
Art glass seems confusing for me and I don't know why. I'm great at pattern glass, depression, elegant, you name it but art glass I've got a lot to learn.
I'm still confused about this though....if it was made in Bohemia or Haida how did it end up in Murano at Pauly & Co.? That really threw me off.
Venice was and still is a major tourist centre. Pauly were importers as well of glass from other centres for sale to the tourist trade. The Bohemians exported glass all over the world. Italy was just one of those destinations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauly_%26_C._–_Compagnia_Venezia_Murano
In Haida on Egermann street there were export companies that specifically did business with Italy, I think.
The correct address is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauly_%26_C._–_Compagnia_Venezia_Murano
You need to copy it all not just the highlighted part.
Thank you again Vetraio50 for all of your help and information. It is very much appreciated. I have studied about Pauly & C. due to the labels on the pokals. I was just wondering why they would be selling something from Haida with their label but I do understand now.
Now I can upload a couple more pictures of some other pretties I have acquired but don't know anything about. :)
Hi again!
My intention is to put these up for auction. Does anyone know a fair price for me to list them at? Looking at the books the prices vary so much on these types of items. Thanks for any help. You guys and gals are the best!
Wow, now that is the kind of find I would like in one of my boxes!!:)
Yes, I was surprised when I found them in the box lot. I had absolutely no idea they were in there. I didn't know what they were either until I joined this site and everyone helped me.
in order to have any kind of serious high dollar value attached they'd have to have an artists name or some sort of mark. Realistically on ebay this sort of thing tends to go in the low hundreds when (if) they sell. Sometimes you have sleepers that take off.. most of the time you don't.
Greatsnowyowl, Thank you so much for your help. I will try again to find an artists name and also look for some kind of mark.
the two are really one in the same. the mark leads to an artists name. what I really meant is "without a mark present on the piece"..
Now I understand. So what I really want is a mark on one of the pieces. I'm going to look closer at the actual paintings on them and see if there is anything I missed. If not then all I can do is try to sell them on what I do know along with the Pauly & C. Label that is on them.
Or maybe I will just keep them for myself. I didn't really pay for them as they were in a $10 box lot I bought at an auction which I actually purchased for the other items in the lot. :)
yup, I don't think it's a glass school piece with the pauly sticker. I don't think the glass school work was ever sold like that. I think that pauly sticker means it's got to be from one of the actual glass houses for production purposes.
Greatsnowyowl....Thank you again. I'm so lost when it comes to art glass. I really have a lot to learn. I spent so much time learning about the other types of glass and how to ID them but have never spent any of my time with art glass. Guess I had better start. ;)
From what I have heard the best books to start with would be the two volumes by the Truits (?spelling). Please correct me if I am wrong.
As for the Pauly pieces I'm going to try and find out which glass houses were sold at Pauly during that time period. I know that is probably a lot of places but it's worth a try.
Thank you for all of your help everyone!
if you don't have to sell them I'd hang on to them. they're good pieces and they are good investment type pieces. it's the type of thing that is very likely to have very good appreciation value.
the truitts is definitely the best starting place.
Greatsnowyowl, Thank you for the advice. No, I don't need to sell them and now I may just hold on to them. They are not what I normally collect but doesn't mean I can't start another collection (for investment purposes of course ;) at least that's what I will tell my dear hubby).
The Truitts it shall be then. I'm going to order this weekend and can't wait to get the books.
allirish im so in love with these:)
BELLIN68....LOL! Would you like me to ship them to you? You can hold on to them for me so I don't do something stupid like sell or break them.
sure that a stunning idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!