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Here is a wonderful example of the Franz Welz decor "stripes & aventurine". Many more examples can be seen on Kralik-glass.com. The aventurine spatter makes a great addition to the "veritcal stripes" decor. I was told this piece is referred to as a bath salt jar, IIRC.
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I'd be afraid to store that by the bathtub! these things strike me as SO breakable!
The pink and green look wonderful together!...:-)
Royal Art Glass, New York made Welz glass per the website you reference?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Royal-Art-Glass-NYC-invoice-lamps-chandeliers-/370724808478?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5650eba71e
I agree Alisa, I couldn't see it sitting in my bathroom. They are fairly fragile, not much more than the majority of their pieces though.
Thanks Inky, they do work well together.
Thanks for the loves everyone.
Charcoal---
The site states that a few pieces of welz were found with a Royal Art Glass label. Cool, I can read... No where does it state the glass was manufactured in the US, nor does it say Royal Art Glass manufactured it. Your statement is absolutely ridiculous(as are a large majority of previous deleted statements you've made here throughout the past 6 months or so) and very misleading.
Also your link serves ZERO purpose that I can see.
I've left your post up for others to see as you seem to be stalking my thread relentlessly and continually reposting after I delete it ...your misleading post and wonderful link are on.
Please stay out of my thread as you have nothing useful to mention and you've repeatedly proven you want to do nothing but play games and throw out ridiculous statements. I am not interested in your kindergarten games so please leave my threads alone. Out of many, many posts you've made here, I don't recall you helping(or even trying to help) a single person here. If you want to play games...get an xbox. Thank you.
This is a public forum and my opinion is worth just as much as yours.
"Both of these labels are attributed by the Glasmarken Lexicon to be Franz Welz labels." This info per kralik-glass.com
Thanks Czechman! As you can tell I'm trying to share documented misinformation but unfortunately my postings keep getting deleted by Kyle.
that's a cool receipt, the royal art glass sticker pictured in the glass lexicon has always troubled me, mostly because the pieces found with them don't point to what i think of as welz (except for the use of adventurine). it may have been that the royal sticker was put on in NY before distribution to stores, it would take more documentation for me to believe new york had a thriving glass industry that competed with the pricing of bohemian glass... also the "royal" art glass name seems generic enough to have two firms by the same name, Kyle this piece is amazing for how thin the glass is...great piece of welz -but who knows maybe with enough evidence it will move (along with its huge extended family). as for me and my folders its still in the welz catagory but i love new evidence, and if certain collector have moved this piece over to a different maker- thats cool too, stop ethnic cleansing for glass i say......become convinced in your own time
Thanks Jericho and thanks again for the loves everyone.
Charcoal, you are simply creating misinformation, not sharing it imo. The site states that label can be found on some welz pieces and that the Glasmarken Lexicon has attributed the label to welz. If you feel their attribution is incorrect I encourage you to contact the GL and let us know what they are able to tell you.
As Jericho mentions, the name "royal art glass" is very generic and I see no proof linking the label with the NY company...especially when I look up the NY company and see nothing but lamps. None of which carry the same label, that I've seen.
No link with Royal Art Glass Company being in New York? I did submit a receipt with the address showing as New York. Royal Lamps was an associated company from what I understand.
Jericho, Please provide some solid info showing for one of your OTHER various Royal Art Glass Companies. Here's the one in New York below.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Royal-Art-Glass-NYC-invoice-lamps-chandeliers-/370724808478?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5650eba71e
I never said there wasn't a royal art glass co in NY, I said you have not shown proof linking them to that label. I'm not going to play yours games, feel free to continue posting, but I will not waste any more time replying unless you post something that's actually worthy of a reply.
You're the one making pointless claims...why should Jericho waste his time proving anything to you. (rhetorical question, reply if you want but I won't be responding) /end
I'm not playing games. Your misattribution is my only interest here.
no idea if this is the same company but as another alternative there is royal imports who have been around longer than 100 years
http://www.royalimports.com/scripts/ROYcat.cgi?user_action=list&category=Floral%20Wholesalers%3B%20Art%20Glass%3B%20Novelty%20Glass
they consign glass and resell it enmass like the butler bros catalogs did
http://www.royalimports.com/scripts/ROYcat.cgi?user_action=link&link=mainpage
according to this http://books.google.com/books?id=_uU1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PT428&dq=royal+art+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vWYAUaHeDoeCjAKok4G4Dw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAw
the company royal art is listed under lamp manufacturing only. lamp parts domes that sort of thing. not glassware.
Here is another piece by the company you mention Alisa
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/royalartglass.htm
In a rush, so I haven't read your link yet but will check it out
send me an email and ill provide you with loads of actual stickers (not plastic or made in china) of the royal art glass labels pictured in the glasmarken lexicon
jerichohair@gmail.com
Jericho, the point was they are still in business.
This is a pretty piece of glass.
It seems to me that there is a lot of spouting of information here with no actual facts being presented by some of the people.
like ks85 I see no connection with the company in the ebay link with a sales invoice and a company that was in Austria/Czechoslovakia a long time ago.
If the name was not trademarked it would be a good name for a variety of companies to use. I think that the statement that this company made Welz glass is a little bit of a stretch and kind of irresponsible to say when people are trying to learn, unless you can provide something in the way of actual facts to back it up....
Charcoal, maybe you could provide something other than just a quite vocal, and less rude opinion here to explain how you reached the conclusion that this was made in America by this company?
Based on your type of logic I would have to assume that "Rolls Corporation" and "Royce Company" both American I think, have or have had something to do with cars? Rolls corp probably makes their sound systems, and Royce company likely makes the sheet metal.
As someone that is trying to learn in this forum your claim seems kind of a wild stretch. I came to this forum before and see people making claims that do not make any sense. I am curious, as you at least appear to speak with a very high level of authority, who exactly you are and what you do base such strong opinions on. What are your qualifications that entitle you to be so rude to ks85, seemingly claiming you know more than he does?
everyone has opinions.... some are just much more educated than others.. and you know what they say about opinions....
I came back again after a visit to this site several months ago, to take a look and it would seem the gibberish is getting worse and not better. There is a lot of pretty glass here, but the information is maybe not so much....
Hi Craig, I'm not offering opinions but documents. I suppose you have a document showing Royal Art Glass, Austria/Czechoslovakia?
KS85, I have no intentions of being rude to you or anyone else. Sorry if it seemed that way.
Here's a 1913 "Royal Art Glass", NY advertisement for Royal Lamps.
http://books.google.com/books?id=WZPmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA332&lpg=PA332&dq=Royal+Art+Glass+243+canal+street+new+york&source=bl&ots=N3v2BCNsAq&sig=NSUZTdE7Uh7eKpmyhukuyk0WMQg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1h7iUKzWGcLD0QGQ5IHYCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Royal%20Art%20Glass%20243%20canal%20street%20new%20york&f=false
right, they made lamps. that was what they did. they didn't make other glass items. Just lamps and domes and the metal parts.
that was their business directory listing. Lamps and metal works and shades.
Royal imports is the one that brought in glass to sell wholesale from manufacturers world over. They were also in New York.
Thank you Greatsnowyowl for the info and Kyle too for leaving my comments.
Thanks to you for the conversation, Charcoal :)
You're very kind!
Speaking of conversation... The links below show the shape of the paper label being used as an attribution tool.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30596.0.html
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/41325-a-christmas-vase-from-franz-welz-ca-19
it's possible that it could have just been a trade name for a certain kind of glass as well. Kralik had the Iris line, unknown company had the Rococo line.
all kinds of possibilities as to what it might have meant as far as I can see.
I am also not sure that the same shape label means same company. maybe... but maybe means maybe not.
so many questions, so few hard answers :)
I meant rococo art glass line. Pretty sure that wasn't a company name but a line of glass instead
Welz attribution tools are the Truitt 1 Welz Section and now paper label shapes. The Truitt 1 Welz section is way off and you say that label shapes may not be a good guide either. I totally agree.
For those unaware, Charcoals post is again rather misleading imo. The welz research involves a lot more than just Truitt and the shape of a label lol. Also the thread he linked from GM is from over 3 years ago, I wouldn't define that as "now" :). It looks to simply be one of the threads that had sparked the multiple years of research into Welz, research that still continues.
If you had not seen his previous posts, before the large majority were deleted, he seems to spend 99% on them on Welz posts. Mainly trying to discredit the research, something he has not done a very good job, at least imo. But to each their own, I'll let everyone decide for themselves.
The GM post from 3 years ago shows where/how/when the Welz connection to Royal Art Glass was imagined.
As Alisa stated, it may be more than "imagined", as Charcoal states. It could be a line of their products, a sticker an exporter asked them to use...it could be 1 of many different things.
The one thing I'm sure it isn't....is a glass lamp manufacture in the US :).
Are you saying that the shape of the label is more important than the text printed on it?
Are you saying that the shape of the label is more important than the text printed on it?
I never said or implied that.
Thanks for all the loves LLL :)
You are very welcome, ks85. Rock on!!
You're right Kyle, you didn't imply that. It's the GM post from 3 years ago that does.
3 years ago? As many know, new finds change things all the time with this glass. I don't know why were are focusing on 3+ year old posts, when there is so much more out there. Seems pretty silly imo.
Also by reading this in Craigs last post"reply 16, page2"(the only post that really matters, because as I mentioned...things change!), it would seem like you are just supplying misinformation and twisting of words(again!). Unless I am reading this wrong.....
"The problem with using the label as a pointer for attribution is that it is beginning to appear that the label itself may be a generic shape of label offered by a printer(s) of the day, and as a result is turning up in several different forms..."
What post number says "the shape of labels is more important than what labels say". Also the quote above seems to clearly states problems with using the label as a direct way to attribute pieces. Show me where it states any of those labels is a guaranteed way to attribute Welz?
If you can not tell me which post # states your 2 above claims, I will no longer look at any other material you supply and will consider it a waste of time. I'm tired of you "crying wolf".
The label reads Royal Art Glass. Royal Art Glass was an importer in New York and is unrelated to Welz other than the F. W. K. sticker shape.
Craigs last comment on this topic is #20 above.
That doesn't answer either of the 2 things I asked. I also do not see certainty that the sticker and the NY company are even related. It could very well be a sticker they had Welz apply for them.. or it could be completely unrelated to the NY company entirely, as Alisa mentioned.
I've said it before but I am most certainly done discussing anything with you or looking at any new "info" you have to post. You've cried wolf too many times.
Any non replies to future posts are simply because I have better ways to spend my time, plain and simple. I think all that needs to be said has been said.