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Posted 4 months ago
jericho
(116 items)
This is Ausfuhrung 134 decor. It is produced with base color glass with Titania glass decorating the design. At some point the glass is crackled (by water most likely) reblown to expand the cracks in the titania then rolled in crystal casing glass. The design dates from 1920's but earlier decors with a strong similarity exist. What differentiates the pieces is the earlier pieces look more Moser like with strong ground rim and sometimes a band of acid etching. These are clearly contemporaries of Tango glass because they Contain a black or blue detail color as much of the tango line does.
Loetz Art GlassLoetz was the premier Bohemian art glass manufacturer during the Art Nouvea…
Wonderful colours! Particularly 3rd and 4th image, I must have an inclination for Blues! Thanks for all the information too!!:)
jericho : do you own all these vases ? If so great collection.
thats a great question LoetzBuddies........... and this kind of glass is like very very expensive.
no he doesn't own any of these. he steals them from auction listings and other places and people around the web and posts them.
Here's one you can add to the group. http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/65249-loetz-ausfhrung-134-ball-footed-vase
No, I do not own every piece, Read my bio it explains it. thanx bellin
and don't bother reporting it to CW... they will do nothing. CW told me if I keep reporting, they will delete my account. I can't stand posers!!!!!
Interesting CW DOUBLE STANDARD!
Part of the reason given to me for deleting one of my postings was because I didn't own the item. I did have PERMISSION from the owner to use the image.
scott
I can't stand posers either, sometimes I've had postings deleted because the item is in eBay auction and complaints get filed even though its not the same item but similar. CW has always worked with me. They are collectors and history buffs everyone of them. Nice folks and super to deal with just be nice...
Jericho. Thank you for reminding me of what happened to my recent posting that was in CW violation and the removal of my duplicate listing. Shame that happened, because it was well received by members. Glad CW gives you support. How nice of you to share with us as a group. Yes, I was told of the new rule. Can't own two pieces that are the same and post here on CW or for sale.
Majority of what collectors post here they OWN.... there is a big difference than just using pics. I believe that is what Pinterest is for.
Either way... People can learn from all kinds of mistakes such as attributions or not staying within the guidelines here on CW. I'm here to support the good people and their collections that they own.
Alisa, Jericho has a killer collection and I'm 99.9% sure owns at least one of these pieces. He certainly has more than just pictures of glass ;).
I can't even begin to understand how someone would want to delete a post like this. Even if he doesn't own every piece...it is better than only posting 1 or 2 pieces you do own imo. It lets others see many more shapes, colors etc. :baffled:
Leah, my collection of glass has dipped in value (as everything else) so… pics and discussions are a good way to spark interest, more collectors = better investment. Even if you don't believe in collecting for profit at least show you love the glass by respecting everyone who uses this forum- don't try to represent everyone... just speak about you, your glass and your experience is with it. Thanks Kyle, good point….and just to show the point I’ll just share the Ausf 134 (for a day) with an example I own.
For what it's worth I thought you had to own the pieces you post. Does this mean I can post the Hope Diamond ?
Good point, Frank. lol
Jericho.... what are you talking about? representing everyone? I don't believe in collecting for profit? as far as love for glass and respecting others on this forum... I've given 679 loves to your 166 here on CW. I support members who post from their own collection. Not someone who uses pics that don't belong to them and post as if it is there personal collection for their own agenda.
Ks85.....There are many current live eBay postings of your items posted here @ CW. Am I in denial or is it CW immunity you have been granted?
Good point, Leah G..
Sorry we aren't all rich Leah. I can't hold on to everything I keep and for now I would rather circulate items occasionaly so I can keep putting my hands on things I haven't yet seen. I hopefully have a good 5-6+ decades of collecting left, so I'm not too worried about letting something go as I'm sure I will see it again :).
My most recent post of an item I have for sale is about 2 months old. Its apples/oranges comparing them to postings you make of items you have for sale at the time of posting. Nor do I post pics up with a "branding" prop that can be seen in my ebay auctions...
I have seen many items on here that later end up on ebay, as people change their minds or need to get extra cash for something new. People should not be required to delete their old posts, as they log their previous pieces and help add value to this site. I have no immunity just different intentions for my posts.
As for posting other peoples pieces it has been done many times...
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/74302-from-a-private-collection-all-loetz-pa?in=666
You seem to "love" those even though they aren't the OPs.
**Just using a random example and in no way trying to single out Famatta(hope I did not offend you) as many others have made similar posts. I also hope to see his friends pieces remain on here forever as the pics are wonderful assets to this site, even if they aren't his!!
they were his friends pieces. posted with *permission*. apples and oranges yet again.
Good point Alisa :). Bad example.
My "branding" was created years ago so people would stop using my pics. :)
Famatta was not a good choice to bring up. Alisa is correct. At least he knew the person who owned a vast collection. There is a difference. His purpose was with good intentions and anyone who read the post could appreciate the gift of beauty. It was an AWESOME post!!!
I also appreciate you not denying you have items posted on CW and on eBay.
It seems that there is lack of respect for others who have a valid complaint.
For me, infractions here and there don't really irritate me at all but when the majority of posting you do is all strangers items, it defeats the purpose. I mean, I am perfectly capable of browsing the web and finding the same photos if I want to see a bunch of a certain decor. My understanding of this venue is that you're supposed to be showing and telling about YOUR collection for the vast majority of the time.
but that's just me and if the moderators don't think it's a violation of the rules (I thought it was) then so be it. This isn't my forum.
But personally, if one of my items showed up randomly in a post like this I'd be mega irritated and even more so if I wasn't already a part of the community and found it by accident.
and as far as it being better to see the one piece that he does own instead of all the other pieces as well that are gathered from various sources from out the net. I disagree. I'd rather see close ups and the base and the inside of that one piece he owns. Personally, I think you learn a lot more from the detail than from the far away entire shot of the whole piece.
well said alisa!
This is a good discussion, If you have issue with the CW work it out with them, I do not represent them or have immunity (two of my posts have been taken down), But instead of complaining to others I spoke to them myself and I respect them for wisely managing their site and allowing free speech.
As far as preference on what you like to post...I enjoy both...one picture of one piece- top, bottom, under black light etc, that is the preference of the individual. I enjoy showcases from museums I hope to visit and I especially enjoy stories of how pieces were found. I enjoy support from collectors who like my posts and good discussions with collectors who disagree with my attributions.... that said, If you hate the way I do things, don't press the LOVE button. You may post angry tirades about how we need to follow your personal style of posting...This is an artistic process and each member should post what they like. I have never deleted a post and do not intend to do so because no matter what any comment says it can't hurt me... there is just to much love in my life right now....
If anyone is offended by the posting of an image that belongs to them report it to CW and they will do what they think is right, second option is email me directly and ask to have an image removed from one of my many posts and I will be glad to do so... Jerichohair@yahoo.com
seriously, too much love. jericho
Interesting discussion
There appear to be two (at least) distinct issues being confused here ...
1 Copyright issues ... What is posted here are photos of objects ... Not the objects themselves ... Certainly copyright remains in the hands of the Photographer ... regardless of whether they own / still own the piece ...
... a grey area arises when objects are photographed without permission ... Or with restrictions on permission (eg personal use and PGM) ...
2(or 1a) images on the web remain the property of the owner of the image ... Many people are happy to share these images so long as the sharing does not involved in obtaining personal gain ... although I suspect many of the Auction houses would prefer to maintain their copyright position ... but you would obviously need a team of lawyers to chase this up and probably do a lot of PR harm ...
3 it is a part of CW policy on intent that defines the site as being non-commercial ... i.e. free of solicitations to buy or sell ... If an item is parallel posted on a commercial site I see no problem so long as it is not mentioned or referenced in the article on CW ...
That said the "front page" comes with the "most watched" listing .... Perhaps an exclusion from appearing in both "show & tell" and "most watched" for an arbitrary period would be reasonable ... but I would favour blocking the eB listing rather than the original article posted to CW ...
Most of us are used to living with the realities of the commercial sites by now ...and if not will soon learn ... on both the buying and selling sides ...
Thanks Jericho
... Love the pics by the way ...
... Certainly is difficult to understand how someone would come by such pictures if they had not come by them in their pursuit of "Collecting" ...
;-)