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Loetz Green to Clear Spiraloptisch c. 1905

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Posted 3 months ago

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LoetzBuddies
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I have a small candia silberiris Spiraloptisch (posted earlier) so I thought this larger dark green to clear decor would go nicely with the other one.
Bought at a small auction in Ft.Myers, Florida. They had no idea what it was so it sold reasonably low.
Polished pontil. 6 inches high.
Photo 3 : Compare shapes (thanks to Craig).
F.W.F

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  1. dlfd911 dlfd911, 3 months ago
    Another one of my favorite decors. The shape of yours is very close to that of one of mine, but the rims on them are treated differently. I'm going to see if I can find them in The Book.
  2. dlfd911 dlfd911, 3 months ago
    I found mine, 1905 II-2792. The closest I found to yours is 1905 II-2117, Creta mit dunkelgrün verlaufend spiraloptisch. The shape is very close, but the rim in the drawing has 4 folds, whereas yours has 5. I did find a similarly-shaped form with 5, but the base was wider, so the transition was not as great.
  3. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    David : Thanks for the ID info.
  4. BELLIN68 BELLIN68, 3 months ago
    Nice one Buddy:) keep up the stunning collection:)
  5. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    BELLIN68 : Thanks for the comment.
  6. famatta127 famatta127, 3 months ago
    Nice snag Frank.
  7. ks85 ks85, 3 months ago
    Nice piece Frank, love it! I tried for it as well but was way too low lol. The water stain made me nervous and they couldn't show me a good pic of it. Were you able to remove it?
  8. BELLIN68 BELLIN68, 3 months ago
    Your very welcome LoetzBuddies:)
  9. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    ks85 : It's mint....no water stain.
  10. ks85 ks85, 3 months ago
    That's odd, not sure why the told me there was lol. Thanks for the info and congrats.

    BTW love the first pic, it makes the shape look much nicer than the auction listing imo.
  11. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 3 months ago
    Kyle, he said this was from a small auction (it sounds like a live thing not ebay) are you sure this is the same piece?
  12. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    Greatsnowyowl & ks85 : I couldn't understand Kyle's comment because there is no water stain. I contacted the auction before bidding and they said it was in "mint unused condition". Sooooo....I thin Kyle is thinking of another piece. And it did not come from Ebay.
  13. ks85 ks85, 3 months ago
    It has to be the same piece. I bid on LA, not ebay. Harrison auction?
    I have no idea why they told me there was a water stain. The only thing I can think of is they accidentally gave me a condition report of a different piece they were selling.

    I'm still fairly new to LA, but it seems dealing with some of those auction houses is no better than dealing with a newbie seller on ebay lol.
  14. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    Kyle : Yes, Harrison Auction. It must be that they confused the vase with another piece. They didn't even know it was Loetz of course. They must have fainted when it soared above their opening $20.
  15. ks85 ks85, 3 months ago
    Yeah they were probably scratching their heads quite a bit. I was just hoping it would stay around that $60 estimate lmao.
  16. bkirks bkirks, 3 months ago
    Just so Kyle doesn't think he's losing it...I also saw this piece and remember some comment about a water stain. Though it wasn't the description that bothered me, it was LA. I have yet to use my account there for bidding. Some of the auction houses seem a bit iffy and I'm a chicken!

    Congrats to you on your bravery and the great buy! :)
  17. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    bkirks : Someone at the auction house must have messed up on the lot numbers regarding "water stain" and then they just kept it going with other inquiries. They told me "mint unused condition". And it is absolutely perfect with no water stain.
  18. JayHow JayHow, 3 months ago
    I am a little curious on how you find these auctions online to bid on, can anyone tell me how they work. Growing very tired of the Ebay BS.
  19. JayHow JayHow, 3 months ago
    OH....I do love the wonderful piece of Loetz you picked up from them as well. Nice One.
  20. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    JayHow : Very simple.....there are several listing websites. Auction houses list their upcoming auctions showing all lots. So you go to one of these sites and search what you are interested in.
    Probably the biggest one is LIVEAUCTIONEERS.COM. There is also ARTFACT.COM and many others.
  21. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 3 months ago
    Nice addition to your collection, Frank. The spiraloptisch decor is one of our favorites. We are vacationing in Ft Myers and had hoped to get to the auction in time to examine the piece before bidding on it but our drive from Illinois took us one hour longer than we planned so we called the auction house and left a bid. We were the under bidders and you were right, they were a bit surprised by the amount and asked us twice if we were sure that was the amount we wanted to bid. I am glad this great piece went to such a good home!
  22. JayHow JayHow, 3 months ago
    Thanks Loetzbuddies for the great information on the online auctions. Im very new to this whole online thing...still a baby trying to walk, but keep falling flat on my face. lol But I also keep getting back up and I will succeed! :)
  23. ks85 ks85, 3 months ago
    Lol, thanks Betsy :). For the most part, I don't think LA is any better than any other online buying site...especially when there is no type of feedback to look at.

    I wouldn't be too scared though. Just be sure to ask very specific questions about condition and ask for more pics when necessary. Once they send you that, you should be good to go. If they don't reply then I would just skip that item/house. However, this topic shows that even though they send you a more precise description...it may not be correct. You may also want to see their past auctions and make sure they've been around for a while.

  24. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 3 months ago
    From my experience LA ends up being more expensive than other venues. hidden costs in shipping can be pretty devastating sometimes as well as added on costs from the auction house and no guarantees on condition. I try not to buy from that site. If an item is especially rare or goes very cheaply it's one thing but usually they go for very dear prices compared to other places.
  25. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 3 months ago
    LoetzDance : Thanks for the comment. I'm sure Harrison's were shocked. They had no idea it was Loetz. Interesting that you are in Ft. Myers. We were supposed to be on Pine Island but I had a sinus surgery and was in no mood......however that didn't stop me from bidding.
  26. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 3 months ago
    Sorry to hear about your sinus surgery. I hear it is a very painful procedure. We r here for a golf vacation so I wasn't planning on buying any glass as golf seems to be as expensive as glass collecting! However, I did manage to place phone bids on two items at auction just before hitting my chip shot out of the bushes. I didn't get the pieces but I did make par. LOL
  27. dlfd911 dlfd911, 2 months ago
    Frank, I found a much better match to this vase in the Series II book. 1905 II-2482. It's a perfect match for the shape, though it doesn't list Spiraloptic as a decor. That is not unheard of, I often find matching shapes without the looked-for decor listed.
  28. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 2 months ago
    dlfd911 : Thanks for the research.
  29. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 2 months ago
    New photo added of this vase with some Mimosa friends at the Passau Museum.
    Photo thanks to Deb.
  30. dlfd911 dlfd911, 2 months ago
    Yikes, it looks like they put them on the shelf with a shovel!
  31. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 2 months ago
    Bet they get a few chips now and then.......I would never stack.
  32. cogito cogito, 2 months ago
    Is that really how the Passau Museum maintains their collection?!!! Thank heavens for collectors outside the PM, then...given their conservation methods, we're likely to have better examples. Sheesh.
  33. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 2 months ago
    Jeff, The PGM is a fantastic museum and in my book Herr Holtl is a hero who has dedicated his life and his resources as a conservator of Bohemian glass. As I mentioned to Frank this photo was taken when Herr Holtl gave us a personal tour of the museum and let us in several “secret rooms” not available to the public. I believe this room was a staging room for pieces acquired but not inventoried yet.

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