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Posted 12 months ago

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pw-collector
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WWII, NC 639 Stomperud Krag 1944 ?
I have a shortened Krag that has an overall length of 44 inches with the barrel length of 24 inches and chambered for the 6.5 x55 cartridge.
The receiver is marked on the top & left side, with a crown over R (same as on my Norwegian Krag, Model 1912), a bear facing left (that I believe is a German Federal Republic Proof Mark Berlin), 1944, NC 639. The right side, I believe is marked with the Nazi Waffenamt Mark. The stock butt plate is marked 118389.
From what I have been able to find out so far, during the occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany from April 1940 to May 1945, the German forces demanded that Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk build weapons for the German armed forces. The Germans ordered Model 1894 Krag-Jorgensen’s with German proof-marks and had them shortened. The barrel to 24 inches with an overall length of stock & barrel to 44 inches. These were noted as the “stomperud Krag”. It’s been noted they were numbered NC60 to NC1200, although the lowest serial number noted is NC673 and the highest is NC1095 (this is the information on the numbering system I received in 2011) and all were built in 1944.
Also after the war, between 1946 – 1951 there were 1,572 M-1894 Krags modified to the short Krag with some of these with the original 1944 NC serial numbers.
With mine being NC 639, 34 numbers below the lowest serial number of NC 673, I am still searching to find out if mine was in fact in the original 1944 production or if it was in the production after the war. Either way, it is an interesting piece of history.
Thanks for looking,
Dave

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  1. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks officialfuel for the appreciation.
    Dave
  2. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks ttomtucker for the appreciation.
    Dave
  3. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks mustangtony & scottvez for the appreciation.
    Dave
  4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    Anything that goes boom, bang or pop, I love, as long as the round end isn't pointed at me. Got my attention & hope some of our armchair experts can shed light on this. By the way, the Germans didn't have to "demand" much in Norway as they quickly fell in with them.
  5. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks BB2 for the appreciation.
    Dave
  6. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    The "nazi stamp" answers you question, doesn't it? Of course it could have been obtained by the Germans & stamped elsewhere, but still before the end of the war. All of the Baltic countries sided with the Germans except Russia & Poland I believe. Even Sweden (neutral) all but openly sided with them.
  7. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    BB2,
    The "demand" part was how it was explained in wikipedia.
    A gentleman from Norway, on another forum, stated he thought it was from after the war for several reasons.
    * serial number lower than known specimens from 1944 production.
    * Stomperuds assembled in 1946 - 1951 known NC numbered Model 1894 were modified.
    * The stock is not drilled out for the cleaning oiler bottle, screwdriver, etc.
    * The bolt was ground and the 639 number stamped on it. He had not seen this before.
    I along with you think the "nazi stamp" puts it in their "occupation time" of 1940 -45 and one of the 1944 assembled stomperuds.
    Dave
  8. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    Another possibility is that proofed & stamped parts were in stock after the war & used later. That type scenario is quite common.
  9. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    BB2, That is also a possibility.
    Dave
  10. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks musikchoo for the appreciation.
    Dave
  11. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks poop for the appreciation.
    Dave
  12. Poop Poop, 12 months ago
    Np dave, awsome piece of ww11 history
  13. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 12 months ago
    Hey, I think I have proof of your Krag in action!

    http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Chrisply/media/tumblr_me4l1tdCY11rwjpnyo1_500.jpg.html?#/user/Chrisply/media/tumblr_me4l1tdCY11rwjpnyo1_500.jpg.html?&_suid=13664853081410902863139205635

    Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)
  14. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Chrisnp,
    That's great!
    John Banner as, Master Sergeant Hans Georg Schultz, in Hogan's Heroes.
    "I know nothing! I see nothing! I hear nothing!"
    Dave
  15. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks PhilDavidAlexanderMorris for the appreciation.
    Dave
  16. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks Kerry for the appreciation.
    Dave
  17. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks petey for the appreciation.
    Dave
  18. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    Have you taken the stock off and looked at what kind of proof marks are there? Here again, barreled actions in stock wouldn't be uncommon.
  19. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    BB2,
    This is what I have noted:
    Overall length: 44"
    Barrel length: 24"
    Front end of stock to end of barrel: 8"
    Space between barrel bands: 3 1/2".
    The barrel at breach is marked: 1944 NC 639 & proof marks.
    The outside of butt plate: 118389
    The inside of butt plate: 89
    The stock behind butt plate: 89
    The bolt lever arm is marked: 639
    The bolt assembly is marked: 241
    Inside the magazine is: 33202
    The graduating sight 1-2200 mounting plate: Top marked S, bottom marked BD.
    The rear barrel band: 342
    The front barrel band: 018
    The front site (top of flat bar) is marked: +3
    The front end of wood stock marked: 8
    I have photos of all markings I have found.
    Dave
  20. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    PW, that's more information that social security & my banks have on me! have you done a carbon dating test?
  21. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    BB2,
    Yeah, that one slipped by me!
    Dave
  22. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 months ago
    PW, I received this form telling me what I had paid into SS by the yr.. I've lived outside the States for 42 yrs and they listed "0" for 33 yrs! So, yes, you gave more info than SS has on me! LOL Now the French records go by weight. You aren't on the census until they have 1 kilo of paperwork on you!
  23. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks again musikchoo for the appreciation.
    Dave
  24. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks gargoylecollector for the appreciation.
    Dave
  25. Hems303 Hems303, 12 months ago
    Nice...same year as my No4 (T) Lee Enfield sniper rifle but from the "other side". Thanks for posting.
  26. pw-collector pw-collector, 12 months ago
    Thanks Hems303 for the comment, appreciation and heads-up to a awesome Lee Enfield.
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/67892-my-ww2-lee-enfield-sniper-rifle
    Dave
  27. pw-collector pw-collector, 11 months ago
    Thanks pickrknows for the appreciation.
    Dave
  28. pw-collector pw-collector, 11 months ago
    Thanks artislove & BELLIN68 for the appreciation.
    Dave
  29. pw-collector pw-collector, 8 months ago
    Thanks tom61375 for the appreciation.
    Dave
  30. pw-collector pw-collector, 2 months ago
    Thanks aghcollect, pops52, pickrknows & Dan121158 for the appreciation.
    Dave
  31. pw-collector pw-collector, 2 months ago
    Thanks fortapache for the appreciation.
    Dave
  32. pw-collector pw-collector, 2 months ago
    Thanks SEAN68 for the appreciation.
    Dave
  33. pw-collector pw-collector, 1 month ago
    Thanks timbaran for the appreciation.
    Dave
  34. pw-collector pw-collector, 1 month ago
    Thanks vanskyock24 & Dan121156 for the appreciation.
    Dave

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