Posted 11 years ago
kralik1928
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Here is a simple vase with an undulating curve pattern that reminds me of a women's body. I am calling these "Cased decor" vases but I tip my hat to those who call it a "furnace decorated" vase. For me, every vase is furnace decorated in some way. This vase is most likely Ernst Steinwald from the late 1920's
Reasons for ESC:
1. Many vases with the bottom decor are marked with the arch signature
2. The export stamp is the same as many known ESC decor vases
3. Both decors are seen with the ESC recognized "arched" signature
4. This exact shape and decor is pictured in butler brothers next to known ESC decors (see 4th pic)
It's Ruckl #988, "Jade Shimmy" decor as posted here: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/42619-ruckl-green-shimmy-decor-988
The lil perfume pic with blue wispy pulls used to identify the piece is not enough evidence for me but I respect your thinking, we can disagree... I like both companies and display more on decor or technique than maker...
The lil perfume pic with blue wispy pulls is what researchers call primary documentation. Maybe you can provide the same for your Kralik attribution?
Where is the documentation on this semicircle mark being solely used by Kralik? Collectible Bohemian Glass II, Robert & Deborah Truitt, page 123, indicates that the mark was used by other manufacturers and that Kralik glassware used other providence marks as well. Truitt clearly states that the semicircle marks indicates a 60-70% probability that the glass was made by Kralik. In this case the Ruckl line drawings override the providence mark applied by a third party.
Documentation? Ask the Nazi's... It's fine to believe what you want to believe... So Ruckl for you and kralik for me, what's the big deal?
thank you welzebub for your donation of a picture from the B&B catalog of imported Kralik.
Here is my take on this vase and the ad.
This vase is found with both a straight line mark and also with an arched mark with open o's. The ad in which the piece is shown consists of all known Kralik decors and shapes. The likelihood that Butler packed a single vase shape from another house with known Kralik examples, although certainly a possibility, would seem highly unlikely.
The rim differences seen in the ad vs the vase could be as simple as a difference in gaffer that made the piece the ad was drawn from vs the actual piece in this post. Minor, but noticeable differences such as that are commonplace with almost all Czech glass houses.
Here is a link to that same ad with all of the vases shown in it.
http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stories/Ht9JCq36rafYs9k7dFKZog.jpg
Here is a link to an article discussing shapes, and showing some examples that are obviously from the same house, but some with fairly distinct differences.
http://www.kralik-glass.com/shapesdecorstudy.html
As to double applied decors with multiple colors not being a Kralik type of decoration, I would point to many known examples of Kralik Bambus applied to a clambroth body exhibiting a different decor in the clambroth ground. Here is an example.
http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralik-images/seaweed/ksw26.jpg
You also see multiple colored décors in Kralik examples of Marquetry which also show Bambus and other decors with the Marquetry.
http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralik-images/marquetry/km26.jpg
We may agree to disagree, but I think Jericho is correct here.
I will look through my images and see if I can find it (them). At this point I simply remember seeing examples at least a couple of times. Sometimes I think I am filing them in a manner that will mean something to me.... until I go look for them... :-) I likely have in excess of 50,000 images of glass I have accumulated through the years in the process of doing research, in many cases with a large amount of help from people like Jericho, and collectors willing to take and share images of huge collections.
On a completely different note, I would add that of those images, likely 80% or more of the glass is unattributed......
I am sorry your eye is having issues. Take care of that, as it is certainly far more important than reading this stuff.
I always enjoy discussing glass and observations about glass. I constantly learn things in the process also. That is why I enjoying doing it.
Take care of yourself first.... talk about glass after.... I am never in a hurry.
Be Well.
Changed to Ernst Steinwald or ESC