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Moser Karlsbad crystal Vase ~1920 but the signature? - is it Hoffmann and WW?

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Posted 2 years ago

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claudia1971
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Bought this beautiful Vase a few weeks ago and love it!!!
It has Josef Hoffmann signature plus WW (Wiener Werkstätte). But I was told that this is not the common hoffmann signature :-(
Anyone who has seen this signature before? the crystal is Ludwig Moser Karlsbad!
32 cm high

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  1. Stillwater Stillwater, 2 years ago
    Do you think the signature was faked?
  2. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 2 years ago
    the WW also looks wrong
  3. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    I personally don't think it is a fake. Moser Karlsbad confirmed me that the vase is from 1920 made by them. I think maybe this was a special edition and those days the possibilities to keep fotos or sketches of every single product in an archive were less. I still believe that almost 100 years later we still find rare pieces which can show us that not everything was fabricated as mass model and production had more flexibility. Need an expert on this one and more access to diferent archives!!!
  4. Stillwater Stillwater, 2 years ago
    Yeah it definitely looks like a Moser piece, but I've never seen that signature before. It doesn't look choppy though, its looks pretty good.
  5. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    anyone who knows about an online archive for signatures?
  6. scottvez scottvez, 2 years ago
    Beautiful deep color.

    scott
  7. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    Thank you Scott!
  8. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Stunning:)
  9. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    The info you have on your posting is true!!!
  10. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    I just confirmed for you!!!
  11. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    thank you Sean! But which info exactly do you mean?
  12. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Your welcome Hoffmann and wiener and moser he did some work and I've seen other works this kind and signed as well:)
  13. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Your Claudia!!!!!
  14. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Typo on iPhone:))
  15. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    and may I ask where you have seen them Sean? any fotos? would be a great help because i contacted different places in Vienna and they tell me they don't know this kind of signature (and they should know...). :-(
  16. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Past auction houses Sotheby's Christie's there were some or a small handfuls on eBay I saw last summer
  17. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Liveauctioneers
  18. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Try 1stdibs.com
  19. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    Thank you!!!
  20. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    Your very welcome Claudia !!!!!
  21. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    @Sean I looked up similar pics in some of the pages - most of them are not marked, which leads me again to the question why the Hoffmann and WW mark on my one looks so different. Ludwig Moser Karlsbad confirmed that the crystal was made by them, bu, I don't know anything about the mark this one has on it.
  22. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=josef+hoffmann+glass+vase&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=biLDUdqoDZTeyQGjmIGYCA&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=740


    I rather have one that is signed and they confirmed it ,Than one that wasn't signed. the mark is fine , things change after a while, markers marks always change.
  23. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 years ago
    @Sean, thats exactly what I am thinking also! BUT as in Vienna they don't find pictures of this one in the archives they doubt that it is Hoffmann and WW. Moser Karlsbad didn't tell me anything about the mark.
  24. Asia1 Asia1, 3 months ago
    Claudia, who did you email in Vienna about the archives? Thanks, Keith
  25. claudia1971 claudia1971, 3 months ago
    Asia, I asked at different places - the dorotheum, Kinsky, Christies and varous other places....
  26. Asia1 Asia1, 3 months ago
    I have a similar, but different unmarked vase. I don't know how to load an image to a thread...
  27. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 3 months ago
    Asia1! If your photos are on a SD/Mini disk (taken out of camera), simply insert it in your computer SD port and when you click on "Add Photo" on the post an item page, the disk will open to reveal your photos or will be in one of the disk drives. Simply click on the photos you want to upload and click on "add" on the bottom. You can choose up to 4 photos. RER(BOB)
  28. Asia1 Asia1, 2 months ago
    I know how to add a photo when starting a new thread, but there is no "Add Photo" to the reply section that I can see...
  29. Asia1 Asia1, 2 months ago
    Moser replied that my vase was not one of theirs, odd, it is so similar to your piece...
  30. Asia1 Asia1, 2 months ago
    Here is my vase... http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/138211-a-mystery-dark-amethyst-faceted-vase
  31. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    hi claidia, i think it is an original moser /hoffman piece, not a vase, but much more a "pokal" a covered huge gobelet. you will probably find it with it name in some auction result.
  32. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    Paris1925, I bought it at an auction abroad - it is in Vienna that the people who looked it up in the archieves didn't find a similiar marking of Hoffmann.... Moser Karlsbad confirmed that the pokal is from them around 1922. That's at least something :-)
  33. Asia1 Asia1, 2 months ago
    Here is a similar piece to mine on Ancient Point with gold decoration described by the owner as Moser... http://ancientpoint.com/inf/113279-moser_art_deco_amethyst_neoclassical_design_14k_gold_gild_faceted_art_glass.html
  34. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    hi claudia i have just found yet the answer you need-)

    look in these pair of glass and on the bottom... WW mark as yours... and it is wiener werkstatte...

    "Der Entwurf dieser Gläser stammt von Reni Schaschl, einer Schülerin von Josef Hoffmann und (ab 1916) Mitarbeiterin der WW. Der Entwurf datiert frühestens Ende 1915, wie das Flaggen-Dekor belegt: beim rechten Glas u.a. die das ungarische Königsreich repräsentierende rot-weiß-grüne Fahne, beim linken wurde auch die bulgarische (weiß-grün-rot) verarbeitet. Seit 4. September 1915 kämpfte Bulgarien an der Seite der Mittelmächte (Deutsches Kaiserreich, Österreich-Ungarn, Osmanisches Reich). "

    http://derstandard.at/1385169306684/Kreativer-Zweckpatriotismus

  35. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    take a look on the mak museum archive-) you will have also luck-)

    http://www.sammlungen.mak.at/sdb/do/search.state?selectedId=15
  36. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    Paris, can you copy the picture? when I open the link I don't see the one you mentioned
  37. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    hi claudia, click on the link bellow

    http://derstandard.at/1385169306684/Kreativer-Zweckpatriotismus


    pictures mentionned are the 4th on the page (the pair of enameled glass) under themyou have the description, and if you look on the left one on the bottom you will see the WW as yours-)
  38. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    I see the foto of the 2 glasses with the WW mark, are you refering to these ones, Paris1925?
  39. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    OK, I have seen it!! But it doesn't have the Hoffmann mark :-(
  40. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    yes claudia but you have the same WW mark, well now you have to explore the MAK museum archive-) all hoffman work here..... i now in the photo archive 864-) they have some 3640 PICS..... enjoy-)
  41. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    Paris, can you tell me which was the keyword you put for the search at the MAK? the link doesn't open the pics you are referring to
  42. claudia1971 claudia1971, 2 months ago
    Thanks :-)
  43. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    go here : http://www.sammlungen.mak.at/sdb/do/start.state?

    copy and padst this link to google

    on the left side of this page click on " WW Fotoarchiv
    Objekte: 3640 »"

    and you will have all wiener werkstatte archives with hoffman works
  44. paris1925 paris1925, 2 months ago
    well if it really doesn not work go :

    http://www.mak.at/aktuell (main menu)

    click on : "SAMMLUNG" (dark color)

    then in the page apear a new menu, in the red on click on " MAK - SAMMLUNG ONLINE "

    a new page get open :

    on the left in the with rectangle type : HOFFMANN ( on the right you have written ( in alle samlungen) , click on the rigth button "SUCHEN"

    a ne page will open:

    on the left menu clich on the link :

    WW Fotoarchiv Objekte: 3640 »


    hope you will find it well like that

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