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    Posted 8 years ago

    LoetzDance
    (8 items)

    A couple of days ago JTATMMAA posted an amazing lamp and wanted to know if anyone in the CW group could help them with the identification of the shade. As was pointed out by the group, this lamp is featured in two of the Loetz reference books (Cantz & Ricke - "Loetz Bohemian Glass 1880 - 1940) with the caption: "Decoration: unidentified, similar to Genre 1/92 and 2/490."

    As a new contributor to CW, I was impressed that JTATMMAA was willing to immediately go out and invest in one of the recommended Loetz resource books. While the simple joy of just looking at the glass in our collections can be enough for many collectors, a whole new world can open up once a collector takes the next step and delves into the vast treasure trove of information that is awaiting their discovery in many of the Loetz resources of which I hope to count our new Loetz.com website among them soon!

    In the spirit of new discoveries, I thought it would be fun to use this CW post to discuss the attributes of JTATMMAA's shade. I have posted the line drawings for PG 1/92 & PG 2/490 along with a photo example of PG 829.

    The two ground colors listed for PG 829 are metallic and lemon yellow. The ground colors for PG 1/92 are rose and moss-green and the ground color for PG 2/490 is spreading orange. Based on the information provided above, what makes JTATMMAA's shade like or not like PG 829, 1/92 or 2/490?

    If you don't care and prefer to just enjoy looking at these examples, mention that too! I look forward to this discussion.

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    1. dlfd911 dlfd911, 8 years ago
      We know that the listed colors in the books are not all-inclusive, as something always seems to show up in one that is not listed. For example, the colors listed for the Medicis I just posted do not mention yellows, but there you go. (See p. 294 in Cantz)
    2. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 8 years ago
      Yes, exactly. It also depends on which books you are using. For example, in Jitka's book additional ground colors are mentioned for many of the known decors as well as decor name changes based on specific decor colors. i.e; your Ausf 81 is now most likely an Ausf 88 based on the most recent information published.
    3. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 8 years ago
      Another example of your point: "candia PG 829" is shown on pg 138 of Band 1 yet this ground color is not listed in the decor section of the same book! While errors do exist they do not take away from the value of these books. I would have been lost in my study of Loetz without these references. But it does point to the value of a website which allows for changes and updates the moment new information is discovered and documented.
    4. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 8 years ago
      My PG 829 vase looks "better than ever". FWF
    5. dasullywon dasullywon, 8 years ago
      LoetzDance; thanks for the posting - I contemplated doing the same thing - posting the line drawings with an example of 829 - but you have done it much better than I could have. I noticed that the line drawings show the spotted background, where PG 829 has a solid background. The pulled-wave patterns do look identical though; and I know of several other examples of Loetz borrowing details from one genre to the next. This to me is what makes the resource books essential, and also what makes collecting Loetz (and their peers') glass so fascinating. It's like solving a mystery, or a really hard jigsaw puzzle.

      And of course, lastly, we are all anxiously awaiting the unveiling of the "neu" Loetz.com.
    6. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 8 years ago
      Great observations, Dassullywon. From the photo I can't be sure if the ground color of the shade is orange but it looks like it might be. The other observation is that the dots in the shade as well as those shown in the line drawing for PG 2/490 create vertical lines whereas the dots in PG 1/92 are larger and random. You are correct in noting that while the pulled-wave pattern is the same for PG 829 & this shade, PG 829 has a solid backgound. Finally, there appears to be horizontal threading after the feathering in the drawing for PG 2/490 similar to the threading exhibited at the top of the PG 829 decor. The shade does not have any horizontal threading. The conclusion that I draw from these observations is that the the information provided in Band 1 for this lamp shade, namley that the decor of the shade is similar to PG1/92 & 2/490 but is unidentified, is still accurate.
    7. dasullywon dasullywon, 8 years ago
      I agree that the description is still accurate. I also note that the pulled-wave pattern in 1/92 is the same (or drawn the same) as 829, but in the example and 2/490 the waves go down and up (instead of just down). 2/490 also shows more of a vertical pattern to the background, like the example, and it extends below the pulled-waves, like the example. So my conclusion would be the example is more like 2/490 than 1/92, except that the pattern on 2/490 looks like dashed lines or zipper instead of spots, and the waves are bigger (or it is a smaller size?).
    8. inky inky, 7 years ago
      Hello LoetzDance!....thank you for your support over the last year ..... Merry Christmas and a great New Year!...:-)
    9. MALKEY MALKEY, 3 years ago
      this most definitely needs to be put the top most grateful loetzdance deb's
      all the very best malkey

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