Posted 10 years ago
Michelleb007
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I just received a Rindskopf vase in a decor I have wanted for a long time. I am very pleased with it - it is much more vibrant and colorful than the seller's washed out pictures! It is 7.25" tall, and is fitted with a silver collar hallmarked with the maker's initials DL (for David Loebl), q (for 1911), a lion passant (for sterling) and a leopard's head (for London).
Alfredo just happened to post a vase of his with David Loebl's mark a day ago, so it was perfect timing to find the 'DL' mark on my vase, too! I did some further research on David Loebl (actually Löbl per vetraio50's helpful comment, below), and it turns out that he was German, and worked for a German (actually an area that is now part of Bohemia) firm called Schindler and Company, founded by a long line of glass makers. He ran the London office of the company, and apparently took over that end of the business. It seems he was an exporter who brought glass, mostly Rindskopf and Kralik, into England and then had them fitted with silver collars. If the vases had silver hallmarked collars, they could be sold in higher end jewelry stores, rather than in in regular home goods stores. Interesting to note, Alfredo previously posted a pair of Rindskopf vases in the same decor with silver collars by David Loebl - also dated 1911. http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/71277-rindskopf-dl-london-1911-pair
Long lost cousins? ;)
Lovely colours!...and of course Rindskopf..:-)))
I too have been on the trail of the DL mark.
I found this site that might add something about Schindler & Co..
It's in Czech but cut and paste in google translate and you will get the idea.
Adolf Schindler (1853–1921) – The unwilling exporter.
http://www.mestojablonec.cz/cs/mesto/jablonecky-mesicnik/rocnik-2011/01-2011/adolf-schindler-1853-8211-1921-8211-exporterem-proti-sve-vuli.html
Adolf Schindler and David Löbl rented a factory in 1901 (Antoninodol bei Havlickuv Brod). Before WWI they employed up to 500 people there: Glasfabrik Antoninodol.
Antoninodol / Antoninuv Dul = Antonienthal ( about 8 km south of Havlickuv Brod/Nemecky Brod/Deutschbrod).
Vetraio, thanks so much for the link - I will definitely translate it and read this over. Also, thanks for the Czech (?) spelling - I have seen it as Loebl, and Loeble but Löbl (like Lötz, Loetz) makes sense. :)
Thanks inky! I am on a Rindskopf roll lately. :)
Vetraio, my family (parents and all other relatives) are from England, and I also have access to English census data. I found David Loebl in the 1901 census - it is very interesting. He is listed as the head of the household, living in Willesden, Middlesex (now part of London) and lists his profession as "Glass Merchant" and an "Employer", giving his birth place as "Bohemia". Someone wrote "Austria" and "Nat. Brit. Subject" by his name in the margin as well. He was born about 1858 and lived in Willesden with his wife (who was born in London), son and daughter. He was obviously doing very well, as he also listed a lady's maid, a cook, and housemaid as part of his household. In the 1891 census, the family is also listed, but with Bertha as head of the household, and David's brother, Joseph (listed as "Merchant's Clerk" born in "Bohemia") staying there at the time rather than David, who was perhaps away on a trip at the time. Anyway, David Loebl was still living in London in 1931 and died there in 1941. This is probably WAY more than you or anyone wants to know, but it could possibly help with dating his work, and in showing his ties with England and Bohemia, and also that his brother was perhaps involved in his company exporting glass, as well. By the way, when he died (after his wife) he left in his will all of his assets to his son Alfred Loebl, merchant, and to Frederick Thomas Wright, charted accountant. He left 84,000GBP - a huge amount of money in 1941! So, he did well. :)
Loved the vase when I first saw it. Great research... Very interesting. I am learning about glass. Thanks
Thank you, bracken3. I am always learning, too - I think that is one of the things I really enjoy about glass (besides the beauty!)
Yay! Lisa, welcome to the Rindskopf side! ;)
Lisa, thanks - I do love the colors in this one. I am looking forward to seeing the red and black version! :)
Lisa, I personally wouldn't use the date on a silver collar to date a vase, but it can be used as a good estimate, particularly if it is an earlier date. For example, a Rindskopf with a silver collar dating to 1905 is probably a good indicator that the collar was applied quite close to the making of the vase. However, a Rindskopf with a collar date of 1923 (when Rindskopf's main production was by that time pressed glass) could have been made even ten years earlier, and then the collar applied prior to it actually being sold in an English store.
I love how these posts intertwine and overlap. I am especially grateful for the research which you have all shared. I am researching perfume bottles and atomizers and ran across the DL mark. Thanks to a keen Bohemian collector friend, he put me onto David Loebl/Lobl and here I am. Should any of you run across perfume bottles marked DL, please tag me. Some of you may know me on Facebook as Judy Atomizer-Parker. Thanks to all.
And pardon my manners, Michelleboo7, your vase is beautiful as are your other posts!
Hi Judy! I do know you from our fb groups. I am glad my post was helpful, and I will let you know if I see any perfumes with Loebel’s mark. Thanks for your kind comments on my vase, too!
Thanks. Primarily atomizers. I did a google and found several bottles with caps and collars, but not too many atomizers.
See you in cyberspace. :)