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Rindskopf Amethyst Cobalt Papillon Gold Mount Vase 9"

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Posted 4 years ago

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Moonstonel…
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This was a piece I could not have passed up. I was in love with at first site. This beauty is my first Rindskopf Papillon vase in my very first metal holder. The holder is stunning...and the Papillon just POPS! I think this won't be the last metal holder that I acquire.
I hope you enjoy!

Special thanks to Warren for finding this listing...

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/24703558_vase-mit-metallmontierung

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  1. bratjdd bratjdd, 4 years ago
    Beautiful, Love everything about it...
  2. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Brat, I cannot stop staring at it myself....in awe! I feel so blessed!
  3. Thoscahaba Thoscahaba, 4 years ago
    I love this!
  4. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary, adjusted the listing...ty
  5. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 4 years ago
    Gorgeous Lee - good for you! :)
  6. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary, Rindskopf is correct :)
  7. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary, I asked the Big Wigs before posting.... :))
  8. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Thomas, very happy with the vase...was surprised to see that is was even nicer in real..xo
  9. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 4 years ago
    Pretty sure I have a pulled feather piece in the same shape, but I won't be able to photograph it until tomorrow night.
  10. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Warren, mega thanks for being so on top of helping me!!!!
  11. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 4 years ago
    Any time
  12. lundy lundy, 4 years ago
    ha nice piece hun xo
  13. Aimathena Aimathena, 4 years ago
    Its gorgeous, congrats Lee. I love the metal and double handles.
  14. mikelv85 mikelv85, 4 years ago
    How incredible is that ! The holder is like a picture frame on a work of art.
  15. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    John, thank you sweetie!!!
  16. manddmoir manddmoir, 4 years ago
    love these - but I'm almost more interested in the construction -any chance of pictures of the ties at the back holding on the metalwork? -there appear to be distinct types of fastenings - suggesting different metal companies.
  17. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    manddmoir, I added more pictures that have just taken
  18. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Bob, thanks for loving!
  19. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Amy, love this one...very much!
  20. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Mike, you are so right about the metal looking like an antique frame!! XO
  21. jagsrock95 jagsrock95, 4 years ago
    AWESOME... I want one! I love this!
  22. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    jags, I did too..so I had to get this one!!!
  23. smiata smiata, 4 years ago
    Absolutely gorgeous!!!! Wish I had one setting on my mantle. Maybe one of these days. Great piece!!
  24. inky inky, 4 years ago
    Speachles...:-)
  25. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Phil, many thanks. I agree :))
  26. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    smiata, I stare at it all day...it makes me smile :)
  27. Zowie Zowie, 4 years ago
    I can understand the love at first site it got a oooh out of me it would put a smile on my face also. Well done.
  28. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    inky, me too...still....XOXOX
  29. kyratango kyratango, 4 years ago
    Sooo beautiful! Love all of it, and the iridescent color, Mmmm!
  30. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    kyratango, this reminds me of Opals :))
  31. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Don, many thanks
  32. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 4 years ago
    How could i miss this one???? i love it!!!
  33. Zowie Zowie, 4 years ago
    austrohungaro you should see the rest of her site.
  34. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 4 years ago
    I know, she's got such an amazing collection, and lately it's becoming an incredible one!!!!
  35. Zowie Zowie, 4 years ago
    It sure is she is one in a million has made me feel so welcome on this site & helped were she could. Great bunch of people on this site.
  36. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 4 years ago
    Sure there is Zowie!
  37. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary, thank you for your thought..but this one is Rindskopf...:))))
  38. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary, shapes can be shared or duplicated...and decors are not....
  39. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Gary & Leah, take a good look......and please don't comment on my postings unless you have real evidence...thank you.
  40. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Craig, I see the differences in shape...and will concur with you. Anyone can see that!
  41. Zowie Zowie, 4 years ago
    czechman & Lee looking at this post now side by side czechmans looks thicker in the neck or is that just my eyes.
  42. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 4 years ago
    Wow - what a flurry. Far too few things are certain in our world, aren't they? With that in mind... we have to concede that some decors are certainly duplicated between companies, as are shapes. I can show you a Loetz line drawing that matches a Rindskopf vase precisely, down to the proportions, angles, and size. But the Rindskopf vase that comes in this shape is in no decor ever done by Loetz... we (reasonably) think.

    The shapes in this exercise are similar, but to my eye there are three different shapes, and no two are identical. For a comparison of the yellow one to Lee's vase, look no further that where the flared rim meets the body of the vase. The yellow one meets at a sharp angle - Lee's is more contoured. The Dr. Fischer example certainly has a thicker neck, and doesn't flare out at the bottom as much, but the metal mounts are the same. What does that prove about the glass? Probably nothing.

    With regard to the yellow "barber bottle" - I am far from convinced that the stopper in this piece is original. It doesn't make sense to me to put a stopper in the mouth of a piece like this - it might fit, but the flared rim, it would seem to me, would be destroyed in no time. Setting that aside, and conceding for a moment that the shapes are similar, couldn't you then just as easily hypothesize that the yellow vase is also by Rindskopf? By what basis would you call it Kralik? Or anything else for that matter?

    In the case of Lee's vase, we have a dark blue oilspot that Rinsdkopf is known for in a metal mount that at least one pretty smart guy (not me) is sure was used by Rindskopf (even if the shape was a little different). Gary is right that we should know the relative sizes of these pieces in order to account for variations in proportion.

    In summary, I think there is more here to suggest that Lee's vase is Rindskopf than any other maker (show me the Kralik decor that matches this piece - I've never seen it in the "Kralik decor index" or anywhere else). If anyone can prove otherwise, we who thought Rindskopf can stand corrected and we'll all have learned a lesson - if not, then isn't our idea at least as good as yours?

    P.S. I don't think we should be in the business of condescending and talking about someone on the thread in third person, as though they weren't even there. That's bad form, to say the least.
  43. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    austrohungaro & Zowie, you are wonderful and kind...thank you!!! XO
  44. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Craig, good point.....thanks for the examples!
  45. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Warren, I agree and still learning to watch and read. Thank you for your opinion and insight.... :)
  46. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    tom, thanks for loving!!
  47. Lise Lise, 4 years ago
    Gorgeous :)
  48. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Lise, what a wonderful comment!!!
  49. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    MacArt, many thanks
  50. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    racer4four & Don, many thanks!!!
  51. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    nutsabotas6, XOXOXO thank you!!!
  52. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    Don, many thanks
  53. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    magdalenagirl & David, many thanks
  54. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    manddmoir & vetrissimo, many thanks!!!!
  55. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
    antiques-in-nj & geo26e, many thanks
  56. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    mikelv85 & LoetzBuddies, many thanks!!!
  57. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Petey, xoxo
  58. antiquerose antiquerose, 3 years ago
    Loving it again.............and STILL !!
  59. Moonstonelover.jr Moonstonelover.jr, 3 years ago
    Love this Mommy...XOXOXOX
  60. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Moonie, love you baby...xo
  61. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    rniederman, many thanks!
  62. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    sarahoff, many thanks
  63. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    antiquerose, XOXOX thank you
  64. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 3 years ago
    Excellent collection!!! Love love it :)
  65. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Shareurpassion, I am humbled and happy you love my collection. Thank you!!!!
  66. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Moonie, I know this is special to you Baby. Love you!
  67. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Jewels, many thanks!!!
  68. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Pops52, many thanks!!!
  69. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    ho2cultcha, many thanks
  70. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 3 years ago
    Just had to love this again!
  71. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    sue, many thanks!!
  72. welzebub welzebub, 3 years ago
    A couple of things.

    1) Mounts simply point in most cases to a refiner or metal maker. Generally, my ecperience is that they rarely point to a glass house.....
    2) Utilizing auction houses as attribution sources is a bad habit to fall in to. Some are better than others, but the vast majority are notoriously bad at Bohemian glass attributions.
    3) I am curious as to a description of the difference between Kralik and Poschinger Helios that would allow people to tell the difference. Also curious if anyone else that you know of made a Helios style decor?
  73. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
    Ho2cultcha, many thanks for the love!!
  74. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 2 years ago
    GlueChip, many thanks for the love!!!
  75. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 2 years ago
    Sergey, many thanks
  76. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 2 years ago
    LaurelH, many thanks
  77. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 2 years ago
    Jscott63, many thanks

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