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    Posted 6 years ago

    Agram.m
    (737 items)

    Date: probably 19th century to be precise: 1896 - 1908 this kind of mark was used. - Condition: perfect
    Small silver dagger pendant in sheath, my research leads to presuppose that this could be a former Russian wedding silver belt buckle. The cyrillic writing on top part is: Caucasus.
    Dimensions: dagger sheathed 9 cm in total, this pendant 17 inches long
    There are many different labels such as a woman's head with the number 84 on the knife and the star-shaped mark surmounted by a crescent for original object. And a makers mark a Cyrillic letter for L and K that I've found on Antique Russian Silver makers :
    http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_makers_A_r.html
    In the meantime I found a similar one see link:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Niello-Silver-Mini-Sword-Knife-Belt-Decoration-1910th-Russia-/291432067333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43dab47105
    Can anyone of you tell me if my assumption is correct or do you have another idea where this little dagger served ??

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    1. vetraio50 vetraio50, 6 years ago
      A Kindjal .... Caucasian, Georgian dagger. Cossack ?
    2. vetraio50 vetraio50, 6 years ago
      There were belt buckles :
      http://mobile.onlinegalleries.com/art-and-antiques/detail/russian-silver-cape-buckle/112368

      http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mRrFqwDorCmK7W1pGLBGU5w.jpg
    3. vetraio50 vetraio50, 6 years ago
      Part of a folk costume ?
    4. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      vetrai050 thanks again for your quick comment and love. It's definitely not a part of a belt buckle because therefore it's far too large (17 inches long) but it really could be a part of a folk wedding costume. I've already published a Niello Silver Russian belt buckle so I know the measures. It's indeed written Caucasian but made in former Russia now Ukraine capital Kiev.
    5. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      aghcollect thank you for love.
    6. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Newtimes after so long time I'm so happy to "meet" you here again!! Where have you been for so long time?? I missed you.
      Thank you for your interest and love of course. Hope to hear soon more from you!
    7. kyratango kyratango, 6 years ago
      Hi Agram! I can't make out the cyrillic writing on top part...
      I think it could be a chatelaine device or a watch fob.
      If the writing is a city name, could be a souvenir :-)
    8. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      kyratango thanks for your comment, love and suggestion. The Cyrillic writing is called: Caucasus. The seller told me that this type of sword was used specially to hang on the belt buckle of the groom.
    9. Bluboi Bluboi, 6 years ago
      Hi Agram, I went to Google Images and put in this search:

      russian wedding caucasus traditional groom dress dagger

      There are a number of pictures of grooms with daggers. Might give you some ideas.
    10. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Hi Bluboi, thanks for your help you advised I found a similar on link:
      http://www.rubylane.com/item/656453-r5591/Antique-Niello-Silver-Mini-Sword-Knife
    11. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      SEAN68 thank you for interest and love
    12. davyd286, 6 years ago
      The Caucasus resort towns were popular vacation places at the turn of the 20th century due to climate, air, and mineral springs, and resort visitors would buy souvenirs made in traditional styles to take home. A dagger is an important part of the traditional ethnic outfit and I believe 100 years ago a groom would wear a real dagger (albeit not the everyday working version) for his wedding. The decorative ones bearing the word "???????" would be made for tourists, just like the souvenirs we see being sold in Paris, Rome, or any major city nowadays.
    13. davyd286, 6 years ago
      I see the Cyrillic font didn't go through, those question marks were supposed to be spelling "Caucasus".
    14. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      davyd285 thanks for comment that that does sound very meaningful.
    15. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      racer4four and surfdub66 thank you both for love
    16. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      vintagelamp and valentino97 thank you both for love.
    17. Zowie Zowie, 6 years ago
      This is different for you Agram.m I'm so use to you showing jewellery it is stunning good score
    18. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Indeed Zowie this is not my usual jewelry but I like Russe niello. Thanks for compliment
    19. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Elisabethan thanks for love.
    20. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      CindB and Zowie thanks.
    21. SEAN68 SEAN68, 6 years ago
      Beautiful!!!
    22. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      SEAN68 you're too nice, thanks
    23. SEAN68 SEAN68, 6 years ago
      Your very welcome Agram.m :)
    24. Zowie Zowie, 6 years ago
      Pleasure again
    25. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Zowie, I appreciate your comment and loves.
    26. Zowie Zowie, 6 years ago
      My pleasure
    27. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Zowie you're welcome!
    28. Zowie Zowie, 6 years ago
      We could do this all day you are welcome sleep well tonight
    29. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      Hi, I am new to CW and also have an interest in this dagger. I have what I believe to be a 19th century Russian dagger with sheath and the 84 Russian silver mark and a city mark that I cannot quite make out could be Kiev or could be St Petersburg It also has a medallion with chain and seems to be attached by a chatelaine type hook also. My dagger also has niello finish. I am going to attempt to post it with photos in the sterling silver category also. Please take a look and tell me what you think. It has darkened considerable over the years. It belonged to my father but had been in the care of my sister who left it out for display and it has tarnished considerably. I have not polished it, it's tempting but I am resisting. Mine is 9" long and a bit different than this one but there are similarities and writing in cyrillic as well.
    30. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      I decided to post it in MIlitary instead of jewelry, wondering if you think this one is also a wedding dagger, could be because the blade is not sharp.
    31. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Gamania thanks for your extensive comment and love. But I think (my dagger don't belong to military. This is because this dagger too little total is not sharp to serve as a potential weapon. An As you said yourself, this is a symbolic piece of jewelry worn by a groom. But as I said a piece of jewelry and in my opinion should therefore at home with the jewelry section. Of course I will certainly take a look at your dagger and give you also my comment up there.
    32. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      pickrknows thanks for your interest and love.
    33. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      I tried to post photos and description a few hours ago, it did not seem to show up, may not be looking in right place. Me, not computer genius. I hit "save " after posting, was I supposed to do something else. I listed it in sterling silver and military just because it was a dagger but did not think one could defend oneself with it. Thanks so much, I love this site!! So glad that I found it.
    34. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Gamagina, first click on right site:
      Post an item. Than fill in the tittle, download some photos of the jewelry from your PC, than fill in the description. At least choose the category and the kind of jewelry. Final at the bottom of this page:
      Click on post this item. I hope this will do. Try step by step. Good luck!!
    35. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      There was no "post this item" at the bottom of the page, so I clicked on "save" and it said waiting while it was saved. If you save an item where does it go. I list on ebay all the time and I have no trouble so I am used to doing this but found only save not post.
    36. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Gamagina first you obviously need to create an account on http://www.collectorsweekly.com After that when this is done and you get the permission you can create a post as I have described before.
    37. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      I was under the impression that I already created an account when I signed up, I chose a username, "Gamagina" and have a password. Am I missing something, is there another account that I need to create? I emailed the "help" people and awaiting their reply.
    38. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      Sorry to ask so many questions unrelated to your beautiful dagger !! just want to be able to continue the conversation with you and get aome input and response to my photos and item.
    39. Agram.m Agram.m, 6 years ago
      Gamagina I looked how to inscribe. But I must admit that this is not so easy. 5 years ago I did but I really don't know anymore in what way.
      So ask what you like if I can I will help/answer. But with the help of the editor you will succeed I'm sure. Otherwise let me know your private mail account here (which I immediately delete after knowledge) and you can ask you questions direct to me. "See" you soon on !
    40. Gamagina, 6 years ago
      OK, for some reason it went through this time. I will try to add additional photos and text, thanks for your patience, don't know why it don't work before, computers are sometimes ornery.
    41. Zowie Zowie, 6 years ago
      Budding in here sorry I have had the same problem in the past you go through all the motions & you think it's going to post as it say only it doesn't show up & then I have to repost until it does. It' doesn't do it all the time just every now & again. I was thinking it was just me on my end sorry to say glad it's also else were not meaning that to sound horrid to you or anyone else. Just that I know it's not me doing something wrong as I'm not brilliant with computers at all far from it

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