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    Posted 5 years ago

    bradwhomble
    (19 items)

    This has been in a safe deposit box for 60 years, trying to ID a maker. It is very soft maybe fawn skin no damage leather need to be cleaned. they are Czech glass beads. Posting strap in another post.

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    1. bradwhomble bradwhomble, 5 years ago
      Should have put the size down 5" x 7" Approx.
    2. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 5 years ago
      I think it will be next to impossible to ID a maker or even a tribe. Many of these were made for the tourist market. The seed beads are made in several different countries.

      http://www.bigbeadlittlebead.com/guides_and_information/seed_beads_guide.php

      "Italy pioneered the process of conterie or seed bead manufacture, with much of their output used as trade beads by European merchants when exchanging goods with American Indians, Africans, and the indigenous populations of the many other colonial centres around the world. For a little over two hundred years the bead makers of Murano had a virtual monopoly on this process until the Czechs entered the market place in the 18th century. (To learn more about the growth of Czech glass read our History of Czech Glass Bead Manufacture). The process was based around the technique of drawing out glass, whereby a mass of molten glass was literally drawn or pulled into a hollow cane tube. The molten glass was gathered on the end of a tool called a puntile, then a bubble was introduced in to the centre of the glass, after which a second puntile was attached, before the glass and bubble were drawn out into a long cane. The stretching could be achieved on a small scale by one person working alone, or on a larger scale by two people moving quickly but steadily in opposite directions for up to a hundred feet or more!"
    3. bradwhomble bradwhomble, 5 years ago
      I had a expert tell me they are Czech beads and the bag what looks to me to be a Lakota star these came from the Dakota's to me so most likely east coast
    4. bradwhomble bradwhomble, 5 years ago
      Also even if made as a tourist piece earley 1900's should be easier to ID they made them with traditional symbols in same way always made I can ID a Navajo or Ute piece old or new. Infact should be easier to ID they made them with easy to understand symbols for tourist that's what they wanted.
    5. CanyonRoad, 5 years ago
      The orange, green, and yellow combination used here is not typical of any Native American Indian traditional bead work.

      And one can't assume that the "Lakota star" design necessarily means that there is any connection to the Lakota or any other American Indian tribe. It's one of the most popular design patterns, found in quilting, beading books, and bead kits.

      In this case, the bead work actually has more of a Scandinavian look than American Indian. But perhaps this was made as a souvenir item to appeal to the Scandinavian population of the Dakotas. Or made by a Scandinavian woman, using her own cultural heritage to influence the colors and patterns. Bead work like this was very popular in the 1950s, which was roughly 60 years ago.

      Since it's loom beaded, not sewn on or stitched bead work, I think there is no basis to believe that this is early 1900s, or American Indian-made.
    6. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 5 years ago
      That is information you should have included in your original narrative above. It would have saved me all that time I spent searching out info on the seed beads. Since you already know it comes from the Lakota Sioux and had the pouch looked at by an expert, then there's not much of a mystery anymore. If you are looking to pin a name to the pouch, then that will be a great deal tougher to do.
    7. bradwhomble bradwhomble, 5 years ago
      You are putting word I never wrote, I said the beads were ID not the rest. I was guessing on the design I think they are 60-100 old do not think boy scouts made them. Every thing made after 1900 is for tourist And way before that they were selling and trading making thing we wanted 90% it trade material or for tourist. I guess there is no way to ID who or why someone made them. Wasting my time trying to figure out it seems to me what I am being told.
    8. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 5 years ago
      CanyonRoad is highly knowledgeable about many things, so I would recommend taking that information as offered. Sorry, but there is absolutely no way to find out who made either of your items.

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