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    Posted 3 years ago

    vetraio50
    (691 items)

    Not my type of thing really .... but I was not prepared to let it be trashed. It was Saturday last that I was helping to clean out a deceased estate and I saw this going onto the top of a loaded skip. I saved this and one other item that I will post later this week.

    As to what it is I was not sure .... but I suspected that it would react to black light and it certainly does as you can see in these pictures. I have had a quick look on the net and saw that it might be called a bob-bon dish or a compote bowl on a stand. The stand has no marks ... I think it must have been plated. The bowl revolves nicely still !!!

    It is 24 cm or 9.4" across.

    It survived the maltreatment and is entirely intact.

    The pink and uranium really pops in the right light.

    Ozmarty suggested that it might well be Bohemian rather than American ... perhaps Rindskopf or Kralik. But can we ask the CW glass people their opinion ???

    Unsolved Mystery

    Help us close this case. Add your knowledge below.

    Comments

    1. katherinescollections katherinescollections, 3 years ago
      Incredible that someone would just toss this in the trash!!!! Thanks for saving this beautiful work of art, Vet! :)
    2. mikelv85 mikelv85, 3 years ago
      How gorgeous is this ! Great save. :)
    3. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks KATHERINESCOLLECTIONS, MIKELV, SKLO & CAPERKID too !!! !!!! !!!
    4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      It still needs a bit of a clean by the looks of it too .... LOL !!!
    5. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Always stunned to see such beauties going to the trash... happily you were able to salve the "frou frou" intact!

      Bravo Kevin :-D
    6. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      Into the skip?
      !!!!!!
      It's beautiful.
      Good on ya, Kevin!
      :-)))
    7. Gruff Gruff, 3 years ago
      Never seen anything like it.
      A lot of work went into that
      Nice
    8. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks KYRATANGO, EFESGIRL, PHIL & GRUFF too !!! !! !!!
    9. Perfumer Perfumer, 3 years ago
      Oh, I just started collecting these, my latest love, and this is a Stunner! Love it, vetraio50! Good for you!!!!
    10. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks PERFUMER !!! !! !!!
    11. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks AURA, NEVADABLADES & BRUNSWICK too !!! !! !!!
    12. Glassie Glassie, 3 years ago
      Bohemian, likely Harrach or Kralik... nice find!
    13. SEAN68 SEAN68, 3 years ago
      Incredibly beautiful !!! Nice save and when did start doing estates?
    14. Alan2310 Alan2310, 3 years ago
      Good move Kevin to save this nice centre piece from the thrash.
      Amazingly nothing broken.

      Regards
      Alan
    15. AnneLanders AnneLanders, 3 years ago
      ow wow!
    16. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 years ago
      Hi Kevin. Your tazza is 100% Bohemian. The shape of your bowl can be found in a 1900 Butler Brother's ad which was sold as an assortment. Sizes, 8-1/2" and 10" diameter to confirm. Lovely as ever and certainly my kind of a thing... ;)
    17. kivatinitz kivatinitz, 3 years ago
      wonderful, the glass seems English not so the feet. very pretty
    18. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 years ago
      Morning, Lisa!! :)
    19. freiheit freiheit, 3 years ago
      LOVE IT!!!!!
    20. Deano Deano, 3 years ago
      So nice! Great save.
    21. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Well thanks to everyone ... GLASSIE, ALAN, ANNE LANDERS, LOVELYPAT, RUCKLGLASS, SCOTTVEZ. AMATOORPIKR, GLASSIEGIRL, KIVATINITZ. TEDSTRAUB, FREIHEIT, HO2CULTCHA, MYFAVORITETREASURES, DEANO & VIOLETORANGE too !!! !! !!! !! !!!

    22. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks SUGGSMERC & PETEY too !!! !! !!! !! !!!
    23. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks OROYOROYISTHATOURHORSE !!!!!!!
    24. racer4four racer4four, 3 years ago
      Not my style either Kevin but I have to admire it!
    25. deaton1 deaton1, 3 years ago
      such a perfect example of that type of glasswork, the ruffles, the intricate shapes of the glass, I'd love to own it, myself, love the light in it, the color, it's not too big. It would look great with a vintage doilly underneath, maybe some fruit inside and placed on an older table
    26. Darlie Darlie, 3 years ago
      It doesn't look American and it isn't complete according to the images. This looks to be the base of a basket epergne.
    27. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 3 years ago
      I have seen items like this here in Canada, but not sure if the base was a marriage. If it was it was a brilliant idea. I know the glass I see at auction a fair bit. Its a beautiful item I am sure you realize that now !~
    28. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks KAREN, DEATON, VINTAGEFRAN, DARLIE, PHIL & RNIEDERMAN too !!! !! !!! !! !!!
    29. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Hi DARLIE ... I can see no damage at all where a handle for a basket may have been located. It really is complete in itself. I know that it originally came from a Cobram home in country Victoria here in Australia.

      It might well be a marriage, PHIL .... but I have a feeling it was always like this. I know the family well and its history. The thing just sits so well on the base. A marriage could cause damage but this just sits nicely and rotates with ease. It was my partner's grandmother who originally had it. He can remember it in the old house at Cobram.
    30. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks OFFICIALFUEL, JENNY N & TREY too !!!!!!!!!!
    31. OneGoodFind OneGoodFind, 3 years ago
      Vetra, good save and interesting piece. It's obviously not your style but I love it and your tenacity. :) I've looked at brides bowls and some look similar but not with the diamond pattern. Keep on it and thank you for showing your (I don't know) side. Thanks for all your support also.
    32. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks MANIKIN & ONEGOODFIND !!!!!!!
    33. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks BETTYB00 !!! !!!! !!!
    34. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ANNAB !!! !!! !!!
    35. AnnaB AnnaB, 3 years ago
      Vetra, no, many thanks to you for sharing it, it's so stunningly beautiful it's hard to take eyes off it!
    36. OneGoodFind OneGoodFind, 3 years ago
      Yes, no, maybe. These came up today while I was looking for something at lunch. Everyone knows I'm new and I'm not sure what "Bohemian" covers so I really don't want to offend anyone. Some of them said "antique Hunt glass". The 1st one doesn't but the 2nd one does.
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Uranium-glass-centerpieces-Historicism-19-Jh-Bowl-Metal-foot-13-2-5x9-2-5in/361488157824?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D43731d012c6148479e4a5ac475a020be%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D361488157824.
      The Hunt
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Cranberry-Ruffled-Crackle-Victorian-Glass-Stag-Hunt-Silverplate-Compote-/272192235282?hash=item3f5febe712:g:-FwAAOSwGYVW-uah
      Sorry if you can't click on the links. They are both on EBay.
    37. antiquerose antiquerose, 3 years ago
      Know nothing....?? Victorian?? Have not clue just that it reminds me of those Vaseline And Opalescent Glass Epergne with a metal base. So I know nothing....LOL

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e3/02/9f/e3029f6ef93c2340f1bc1585dc946016.jpg
    38. OneGoodFind OneGoodFind, 3 years ago
      You quit that Rose. You do know a lot of history.
    39. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks CATBURGLAR, ANTIQUEROSE & SPIRITBEAR !!! !!! !!!! !!! !!!
    40. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Thanks guys for your input ... that Historismus one really rocked me .... LOL !!!
    41. OneGoodFind OneGoodFind, 3 years ago
      Did I make you laugh?
    42. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      To tell you the truth I just showed it to Paul and we really did have a chuckle. His elder brother had put it on the skip. It's not as large as the one in Germany but ....
    43. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      .... you HAVE TO CHUCKLE !!!
    44. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      And to see the others with the metal mounts as well !!!!

      The mount on the German one is rococo .... ours is more subdued.

      Incongruous but the genuine thing.
    45. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks LIVE.ECLECTICALLY !!! !!!! !!!
    46. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks MELIG & VINTAGEFRAN !!! !!!! !!!
    47. IVAN49 IVAN49, 3 years ago
      The crucial fact - it`s intact. I have two silver stands but cannot find intact glass. Searching for the country of origin is a waste of time - it was made everywhere in the late 19th century and even with Jugendstil stands. Even with marked stand one cannot be sure the glass belongs there. Enjoy it and search for silver stand - glass is more fragile than silver :-)
    48. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks IVAN !!!!
    49. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks VINTAGEFRAN & GARGOYLECOLLECTOR !!! !!!! !!!
    50. OneGoodFind OneGoodFind, 3 years ago
      Had to look up some of those words but I'm guessing you were laughing at his brother throwing this away? LOL :)
      Perhaps you should buy him a bowl of Bon-Bon's. He-he.
    51. Zowie Zowie, 3 years ago
      Hi Kev I really love it I would love to look at it at night I would find it relaxing to look at in the dark.
    52. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ONEGOODFIND, ZOWIE & WELZEBUB too !!!!!!!!!
    53. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks RADEGRUNDER !!! !!!! !!!
    54. Roycroftbooksfromme1 Roycroftbooksfromme1, 3 years ago
      beautiful !
    55. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ROYCROFTBOOKSFROMME !!! !!!! !!!
    56. Darlie Darlie, 3 years ago
      Hugs to you Vetraio... If not set for an epergne my next guess would be a bridal basket missing it's metal base to sit it in? Maybe you have learned more about it since, please keep us updated. It is a beauty and a great find!
    57. Darlie Darlie, 3 years ago
      Actually it has its base already... I think bridal basket lol
    58. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Thanks DARLIE ... everything I know of it can be read on this page. As Ivan says it is probably a useless task looking for a precise factory but I trust Glassiegirl's ideas generally on this type of glass and her view that it is a 'tazza' and 100% Bohemian.
    59. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks TONINO !!!! ! !!!!
    60. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      No, I dont .... Thanks for thinking of me.
    61. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      I would love some images please.
    62. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks CINDY !!! !!!! !!!
    63. nutsabotas6, 3 years ago
      Reminds me of Fenton Glass. Its really beautiful and a great save !!
    64. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks NUTSABOTAS and to you too again RUCKLCZGLASS !!!!!
    65. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks RÜCKLCZGLASS. Pity .... it is a wonderful piece !!! I would love to have it !!!
    66. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      I received an email from WELZEBUB this morning who referred me to a dead ringer for this piece. But rather than on a stand it has a polished base and pontil. Within the pontil is a name: WEBB.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Victorian-Webb-Art-Glass-Vaseline-Pink-Opalescent-Brides-Basket-Bowl-/391446928830?hash=item5b240e1dbe:g:lDEAAOSw~oFXJrxG
    67. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      The question is whether that is a correct WEBB mark.

      More to this than meets the eye !!!!
    68. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks RÜCKLGLASS for your input. I've only had a brief look at the Webb marks on the net. I'll be watching the progress of that object with interest.

      That spiralling pattern in the mould is quite particular though. That's the reason for my interest really and the comment about 'dead ringer'.

      Family history tells me that this one goes back three generations.
      As regards the other one I have no idea.
      How on earth do they get that pink on the edge anyway?
    69. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      I came across this site too :
      https://www.realorrepro.com/article/Glass-Marked-Webb
    70. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      I was truly horrified that it was meant for the skip.
    71. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      I had been aware of it for 25 years in the family home. Some things just shout at you. But when an object comes home you look at it with new eyes. I am indeed lucky enough as well to be able to tap into the collective knowledge of those with generous hearts here at CW.
    72. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks IVONNE !!! !!!! !!!
    73. Tlynnie1942 Tlynnie1942, 3 years ago
      My grandmother on my dads side had a whole collection of this and two of what you have here. We kids would have been killed outright if we went anywhere NEAR her curio cabinets (I have one of her cabinets now) so I never knew the maker. Nice to see you got one....still thinking you should have left it alone? LOL
    74. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      My thanks TYLYNNIE !!!! !!! !!!!
    75. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ANTIQUESinNJ !!! !!!! !!!
    76. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks AGRAM !!! !!!! !!!
    77. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ANTIQUESINNJ !!!! !! !!!!
    78. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks WINDWALKER !!!! !! !!!!
    79. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks VLADIMIR !!!! ! !!!!
    80. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks HOLYCOWELSIE !!!! ! !!!!
    81. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks RADEGRUNDER !!!! !! !!!!!
    82. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks THOMAS !!! !!!! ! !!!! !!!
    83. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks OKTREEDUDE !!! !!!! !!!
    84. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks VINTAGEFRAN !!! !!!! !!!
    85. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks IRONLACE !!! ! !!!
    86. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks ROYCROFTBOOKSFROMME !!! ! !!!
    87. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks MRSTYNDALL !!! ! !!!
    88. courtenayantiques courtenayantiques, 3 years ago
      so glad you saved this beauty!
    89. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks COURTENAYANTIQUES !!!!
    90. nittygritty1962 nittygritty1962, 3 years ago
      Just simply beautiful!!!!!!
    91. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks NITTYGRITTY !!! ! !!!
    92. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks COURTENAYANTIQUES & HO2CULTCHA !!! ! !!!
    93. Tahiti1 Tahiti1, 2 years ago
      Absolutely one of the most gorgeous pieces I have seen in a long time!
    94. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
      Many thanks TAHITI 1!!!
    95. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
      Many thanks NEWFLD !!!
    96. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
      Many thanks VINTAGEFRAN !!!!
    97. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
      Many thanks NH10 ! !!! ! ! ! !!! !
    98. vetraio50 vetraio50, 1 year ago
      Many thanks MANIKIN !!!!!

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