Posted 8 years ago
katherines…
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So this dish is nearly 13 inches across, a big dish, Asian decor, appears to have some age on it. If anyone has an idea as to who, what, when, where, and why, please feel free to share, and greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking.
MYSTERY SOLVED: Thanks to Karen who said this plate was Japanese, Mike who called it Satsuma Meiji to early Showa era, Kyratango and wexval who identified the decor as Seven Lucky Gods, and NevadaBlades whose wife translated the hallmark as "HIZEN ARITAYAKI for the locale and style, and SADAYAMA SAKU for the artisan. SAKU means "Made By", so this plate is made by SADAYAMA." You are all amazing, thank you for all your help. :)
Hi Katherine. I'll have my wife take a look and see if she can read the chicken scratch ~ when she gets back from the casino! ..... lol. [;>)
Definitely Japanese Katherine...my professor friend would flip for this. He's bought most of my collection already and I'm going to have to do some power shopping to keep my inventory stocked....lol. My guess would be Satsuma Meiji to early Showa era.
Thanks for the love, NevadaBlades, Efesgirl, mikelv85, and vetraio50. :)
NB, thanks for your, and your wife's help, hope she hits the big jackpot! :)
Thanks, Mike, I like your professor's taste! I'll have to look up your Satsuma references on the Gotheburg site, see what I can see, thanks so much! :)
Awesome plate.
I love the people on this - all such wonderful characters and looking at them I wonder if it's not from an ancient tale.
I don't know enough to say anything else except it's so cool!
Thanks, Karen, the curious figures are what I keyed into as well, each seems to be doing something different to the others and each looks different from the others, how they relate and what the story is behind this plate I wish I knew. But that's often my reaction in looking at Asian decor, they always seem to tell a story I wish I could know, understand, interpret. Maybe that's part of the attraction. :)
You know for years I moved over Asian art but now I'm more into it. There seems to have been more humour in it, not so serious as the Europeans.
I know what you mean; I wish I too could understand and know more.
These are the Japanese Seven Lucky Gods, also called the Seven Gods of Good Fortune. They each have a specialty. Search the first term for much more.
That's a substantial and beautiful plate!
It seems to have 7 of the 8 Immortals, perhaps it belonged to the 8th ;-)
Ha! Wexval was answering while I wrote my comment :-))
The Eight Immortals are Chinese, Three Star Gods are Chinese, there are too many Lohans or Arhats to count (18 last I looked) and the Japanese Seven Lucky are the most fun. The East seems to prefer gods in bunches.
Interesting and beautiful plate! I'm trying to learn more about Chinese & Japanese porcelain but the field is so vast, even the Gotheborg website. Thanks for sharing your plate.
My wife says there is often more than one way to read Kanji (for example, my name, KIYOSHI, can be written in 3 different Kanji and each Kanji can be read differently, not just "Kiyoshi"!). Anyway, this is how she read the Kanji on your plate: HIZEN ARITAYAKI for the locale and style, and SADAYAMA SAKU for the artisan. Hope that helps. [;>)
Note: SAKU means "Made By", so this plate is made by SADAYAMA.
Note: My wife says the Kanji for the artisan can be read another way, but she is unfamiliar with the other reading. So sorry.
Thanks for the love, kyratango, brunswick, Caperkid, rucklczglass, Nicefice, aura, and kivatinitz. :)
Thanks wexval, I will research Seven Lucky Gods, all that information is interesting and greatly appreciated. :)
Thanks kyratango, for your help and the smile you bring out in me every time you post on my threads. :)
Thanks, Thomas, always something new to see and learn. :)
Thanks, JoeyC, you are so right, I can't ever hope to know what some of the experts here have learned over their lifetimes, but it is a great journey trying. :)
Thanks, NB, and please thank your wife very kindly for me. What a wonderful help you have both been to me, thank you so much. :)
I googled the information NevadaBlades gave me regarding the hallmark and another item came up on Worthpoint, same maker, two dishes. They don't say what the value is or what they sold for, and the decor is different.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/pair-of-vintage-imari-gold-plates-chargers-11
The closest listing I could find to mine, somewhat similar:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-Satsuma-Plate-7-Seven-Lucky-Gods-of-Fortune-Immortals-Japan-Gold-/231897757606?hash=item35fe2ef7a6:g:jssAAOSw9uFW8xfo
i think this is a real Meijji , and not a run of the mill meijji , wel done done congrats
woooooooooow
Thank you, apostata, especially for the
wooooooooooooow
I am honored that you think my dish worthy of your compliment.
addendum dont be subsimmisive please , i am still sure of the quality, but i start all over again because of the the bottom garlands aint a guanghu equivalent ( bamboo garlands), so i have to magnify all the garlands and datamine it, this will take time
well mikelven was probablyright from the get -go , by the way an excellent group effort
well you deserve the credits you did the difficult work no reason to adjust
found the sa pseudo qianlong type rim, the dating was 1900-1940 (i, did not knew i never saw that before)
well i think tehere are actually2 rules ( the same as Canton famille rose )is the copper inclusion right and and can you see the entropion of the eyelids ( not just an hyphen)
a nice 7 gods of luck plate atypical Not Shuzan not Kutani like
and it,s a nice scene Yongzheng deer in it , wave design in the garment , no blurr, good condition , fully signed , a modest balanced
one thing is strange the frolicsomeness of the garlands, the most designs are more rigid , i got no explanation for this , in the chinese equivalent its more a tendency to early guanghu , but i am not sure
it wont get you rich but it will make you happy
Thanks again, apostata, as you say, it is a nice plate, and I am pleased with it, and with the extra effort and information you provided. An honor and greatly appreciated.
mnemonics on hichozan (waki)
mnemonics reikosha
hichozan is an BS idea because the sa ( zan is missing
i just , don,t know a type of hizen yaki TEIZAN SAKU , but it doesn,ot make sense the styling , you better stick to NEvada blades, lack the skill
apostata - are you referring to the garland border of the plate?
it's a great plate! i like the way it draws my eyes into a spiral.
no the border is known, there are different problems here first of the hizen marking looks like the hichozan . so you the zan ( it is a pitchfork standing and end when the pitchfrk is out , you are committe to an hizen
butt they elabote the hizento an reikosha, but the major problem , Hizen is a very big kiln and francised so called under auspices
and i am just a rookie, but i think you have to be an high level expert to understand this
This is strange because the zan (san ( mark) is out of position
i think i i noticed an part of the signing on a woodprint something like 20 years ago
IMO we could be missing a part of the extension in the in the Teizan, this is so extremely difficult , and i just started japanese