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bohemian glass1 of 22Antique Bohemian Czech WELZ KNUCKLE Art Glass Vase with Embossed Leaveslarge jardiniere LOETZ, creta rusticana. circa 1905
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    Posted 2 years ago

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    my last lucky purchase on ebay, this vase referenced on the book " un ensemble art nouveau, la donation rispal" musee d'orsay.

    this model was in the rispal collection one of the biggest donnation to orsay museum, in his catalogue, the museum described as loezt by carl golberg, signed loetz in gold . i do not have the signature in orsay catalogue, and mine is unisigned, but it is definitely the same "touch"

    the vase in in heavy opalescant crystal,with polished pontil, the trees arte acid etched and gilded in gold.

    H 16 cm



    1. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    2. SEAN68 SEAN68, 2 years ago
    3. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 2 years ago
      Lovely Goldberg vase. Definitely not Loetz. The Museum indicates that the signature engraved in gold as "Loetz" is [ false signature ?] . The museum also shows several Kralik and PK vases included in the "Loetz" category. Some examples include the proper names of the manufacturer such as this one being identified as "Goldberg" along with the name "Loetz" while other examples only list the name, "Loetz". This might be the museum's way of cataloguing Bohemian art glass produced during this era or they just do not know how to identify Loetz. A known Kralik pair of silverband vases donated to the museum in 2014 were accepted by the museum's acquisition committee as being "Loetz".
      It is amazing how many museums around the world exhibit art glass incorrectly attributed to Loetz. The Corning Museum of Glass has 5 Kralik pieces on exhibit identified as Loetz. No wonder collectors get confused about what is and what is not Loetz.
    4. paris1925 paris1925, 2 years ago
      hi loetzdance , i've asked to waarren if he agree with orsay and he said the same.... honnestly i dont understand how a museum can do that mistakes, as a museum he have to warrenty of origin ofmaker/period, technical details. thats why sometimes when i am look on a documentary about painting or some arts with a "expert meeting".... it is somtimes really funny....

      the same stupid descriptions are also usual in salees romms, auction houses..
    5. paris1925 paris1925, 2 years ago
      a goldberg scenic vase with some trees-)
    6. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 2 years ago
      I agree! I don't understand how museums in this day and age can accept a donation in 2014 of known Kralik pieces and attribute them to Loetz. The Kralik silverband pair that they accepted are exceptional and should be recognized as such. I own one of these and love it. This decor was introduced by Kralik at the 1902 Spring Fair in Leipzig and won several awards. There's just too much accurate information out there to get this stuff wrong. I know auction houses do this as well but they are trying to sell something and believe that an attribution of "Loetz" will bring higher bids. But the financial aspect should not influence a museum unless they are worried that their donors will not continue to gift them objects. Museums should be held to a much higher standard!
    7. kivatinitz kivatinitz, 2 years ago
      how an interesting discusion
    8. paris1925 paris1925, 2 years ago
      for me thye museums have a highe obligation to be able to identify theire collection as they are and not make wrong descriptions.... if they doint identify they have to say unidentified... but as auction houses a good collection with attractive names are better to get more visitors..... biz is biz -)

      honnestly i dont understand how that mistakes can be done in glass , well documented with varouisou original archives, catalogues and top level books.....
      not that complicated as painting....

      as i can see only real collectors are documented, and know what they are talking about, and helps other to be in the right direction-)

      thats why colectorweekly or other real collector groups are the best place to be-)

    9. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 2 years ago
      Yikes! A dreadful signature. I am sure there are Goldberg pieces out there with "LCT" signatures on them as well.
    10. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 2 years ago
      This is a truly lovely vase, Paris. And I agree, museums DO need to be held to a higher standard in their attributions!

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