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Posted 1 year ago

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kyratango
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Again, comparative pics of two acrobatic monkeys brooches, one marked KP for Knoll and Pregizer, the other with the "Etruscan urn" mysterious maker's mark!

Help needed! Bluboi???

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  1. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    About Knoll and Pregizer, Robin Deutsch site:

    Knoll & Pregizer
    http://imageevent.com/nibor56/knollpregizer
  2. racer4four racer4four, 1 year ago
    Same same but different.
    I don't know if I should tell you this Kyra, but first glance at the thumbnail I thought these were commando toys.......sorry. They got lots better with a proper look!
  3. Agram.m Agram.m, 1 year ago
    What a cutie!
  4. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Haha, Karen! Monkeys invasion :-)
    Thumbnails on the main page are sometimes fooling :-))
    Thank you for monkeying around! :-)

    Marga, thank you, you're another cutie :-D

    Thomas, thank you for your lovely visit!
  5. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 1 year ago
    They are wonderful!!! but so alike.....I would be going crazy with frustration!!!! What an excellent site you have posted....such detail, thanks
  6. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 1 year ago
    Really love these, evvious !
  7. jscott0363 jscott0363, 1 year ago
    VERY cool!! I love these little monkeys!
  8. Recordmantime Recordmantime, 1 year ago
    Very cool ...what are you running over there a pawn shop ...lol you always seem to come up with the nice's and coolest stuff day after day ...smiling ,.. Ziggy birdie is looking fat and sassy...lol enjoyed the u tube shots ...
  9. vintagelamp vintagelamp, 1 year ago
    Love this!
  10. inky inky, 1 year ago
    Wonderful!!!!...:-)
  11. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 year ago
    FOR SURE KYRA---the best thing on here today! Congratulations!
  12. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Judy! I am frustrated... The Robin Deutsch site is amazing, glad you appreciate it!

    Phil, what a compliment coming from you :-) Thank you!

    Recordman, yep, quite a pawn shop, with all sorts of things :-)
    Ziggy is fat and sassy as his mom... ;-))

    Vintagelamp, love back to you! :-))

    Inky, thank youuuu!

    PCC! YOU're the best :-))

    Big, huge, collective thanks to all 17 lovers!
  13. lentilka11, 1 year ago
    Sigh, you lucky girl to have them!
  14. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Awww, thank you Lentilka! Indeed, I am :-)

    Thanks for the loves, Melanie, Amatoor, Vintageforever and Lentilka:-D
  15. paris1925 paris1925, 1 year ago
    joli joli
  16. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Merci merci David :-)

    Thank you so much for your lovely visit, Mani!!!
  17. SEAN68 SEAN68, 1 year ago
    fabulous!!
  18. Analogue, 1 year ago
    I will not make simple "noise" on the page by adding unnecessary comments such as "oh! nice!" or "pretty!"-

    The hanging monkeys is a typical Japanese theme- it is a symbol of good luck to have the hanging monkeys as a wind chime or front door embellishment. This MAY or may NOT help you in your search, but trying to narrow it down by perhaps looking for Japanese importers who make jewelry and trinkets for foreign buyers may help. Is it from war-time? that's possible- when were we in Japan? etc- hope this helps
  19. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Thank you Analog for your comment and your willing to help!
    I know for sure these are not Japanese :-)
    They are featured in Robin Deutsch site (link in comment#1), last pic when you scroll down the page.
    Early models dating end of Victorian era, last ones 1930's.
    She said several makers did them!
  20. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Other paste brooches bearing the mysterious mark...
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/163646-the-mysterious-etruscan-urn-makers-ma
  21. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 1 year ago
    Pascale, have you seen this listing......your mystery mark but described differently!!

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Antique-Victorian-Silver-Gold-Paste-Stone-Double-Monkey-Chimpanzee-Brooch-/351582304245?hash=item51
  22. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Yes Judy :-) Thank you!
    I track all pieces with that mark, even created a Pinterest board with all I saw...
    Even some sellers described it as French import silver mark... No! The mark for that is a Swan in an oval :-)
  23. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Huge collective thank you to all 30 mystery lovers ;-)
  24. fleafinder fleafinder, 1 year ago
    hi kyra i believe this mark belongs to neiman marcus beverly hills estate jewelry. see #Y39011/39111
    http://www.morninggloryantiques.com/collectpastes.html


    The logo of neiman marcus also resembles the mark
    http://www.neimanmarcus.com/en-sg/NM-Estate-Jewelry-Collection-Estate-Art-Deco-Cartier-18k-Gold-Cigarette-Lighter/prod179970099/p.prod

    Let me know what you think!
  25. katherinescollections katherinescollections, 1 year ago
    Looks like your mystery is solved, kyratango. Darling little monkeys! :)
  26. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Hi Fleafinder, the Morning Glory's monkeys are inspired from the ones I showed, but obviously not same... No visible marks to compare...
    The link to Neiman Marcus shows a Cartier-Bresson lighter, and I haven't been able to find any Neiman Marcus mark...
    Thanks a lot for your research, but still a mystery :-/
    Katherine, thank you too :-)
  27. davyd286, 1 year ago
    This one has the second monkey in colored gemstones:
    http://www.artlistings.com/antiques/jewellery-watches/brooches/4768-monkey-brooch/
  28. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Thank you Davyd, I hadn't seen these on your link before.
    I'm on my phone during the holidays and will have a look to the mark on the tail from my pc
    :-)
  29. fleafinder fleafinder, 1 year ago
    for davyd's monkey in the link it seemed tonhave more gem stones on it!
  30. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Yes Fleafinder, those on Davyd's link have diamonds, not paste.
    This model of "playful monkeys" or acrobatic monkeys were made too in precious stones :-)
  31. fleafinder fleafinder, 1 year ago
    yep i prefer this version. The other on the link is alittle too gaudy for me
  32. clementine4, 1 year ago
    I'm very fortunate to have Robin Deutsch as an online friend and teacher. According to her, this mark remains a mystery, which many people have been trying to solve for years. In a discussion last week about these monkey brooches, she said they were based upon earlier designs from the late 1800's (those were often real gold and rose-cut diamonds) and made by several companies as a novelty piece.
  33. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Oooh, thank you Clementine, you are indeed very fortunate to be in relation with Robin Deutsch!
    At least I now know many people are on the search too!
    One day the light will pop up :-)
  34. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Huge big thanks to you, Sean and all 34 lovers :-)
  35. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 1 year ago
    Kyratango fleafinder was on to something in the link to morning glory antiques. There are two pendants that are interesting. Our mark is there and one also has the same backdetails as on my brooch that I posted. On one of the items they say 1910.
  36. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 1 year ago
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/202706-help-needed-to-identify-age-and-origin-o
  37. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 1 year ago
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/202708-help-needed-with-this-brooch--post-3?in=user
  38. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 1 year ago
    Also on morning glory: you have to press "view" to see the back of their brooch.

    http://www.morninggloryantiques.com/imagesLZ/unsigned2/rh32444b.jpg
  39. kyratango kyratango, 1 year ago
    Yep, sellers of antique paste jewellery have at least one piece from the "mysterious maker"
    Great search Elisabeth!
  40. kyratango kyratango, 10 months ago
    Haha! Look at what modern repros of these monkeys look like, and notice the description, (pristine condition, art deco...) making believe they are old!
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391697520522?clk_rvr_id=1166013893393&rmvSB=true
  41. Mrstyndall Mrstyndall, 10 months ago
    These are so cute!!
  42. kyratango kyratango, 10 months ago
    Thank you Mrstyndall :-))

    Thanks too for your loves, Poire and Bijou!
  43. bijoucaillouvintage bijoucaillouvintage, 10 months ago
    Definitely some of the coolest paste jewelry I have seen, kyra! Such a great find of yours.
  44. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 10 months ago
    Well, these repros are the ugliest pieces Pascale!!! Absolutely not patch on your beautiful pieces!!!
  45. kyratango kyratango, 9 months ago
    Bijou, I'm in love with paste and animal jewellery, these tick all the buttons :-)) Thank you!

    Judy, I suspect these repros are made in India... But not found yet the wholesale site ;-))
    Beware... they are more and more on Ebay...!

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