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    Posted 3 years ago

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    Hello I have this bottle coaster which looks quite modern and guess they didn't notice the marks, I don't know anything about these as not had one before.

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    1. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
      Barker Bros 1927 Birmingham England Mark.
    2. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
    3. Steptoe1 Steptoe1, 3 years ago
      Oh thanks Dave your great at knowing what stuff is, didn't you have to even look it up? I wish I knew half of what you do.
    4. Steptoe1 Steptoe1, 3 years ago
      I got confused at the link then realised those was all plated ones,
    5. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
      Link was to look at marks. You can Google Barker Bros 925 coaster and look in images
    6. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
      Here ya Go, right side few down.
    7. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
      My Memory isn't as good as it once was but sometimes I will see something and remember seeing it before, just takes me a few seconds for brain to kick
    8. Steptoe1 Steptoe1, 3 years ago
      Ok yeah I see it great stuff. I have trouble with marks as most of the time I can't see them even with a loop.
    9. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Dave is right about the Birmingham mar but the Queen's head at the end is the current queen Elizabeth II. So 1927 is not right. It will be later. She began her reign in 1952. Unfortunately there is no year letter added to this piece. That's because the English system was modified in 1999.

      In this case there is one thing that gives the date and that is the Queen's head mark. That is a mark used in her Golden Jubilee year of 2002.

      An amazing nteresting article to read.
      Contemporary English silver is a different kettle of fish.
    10. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      The other thing that is a bit of a puzzle is the date and the Barker Bros. mark.

      That mark of BE SCo was registered red in 1964.

      Barker, Ellis Silver Co.
      Birmingham - maker's mark reg. 1964 (BESCo)

      "In the 1960s, merging with Ellis & Co (Birmingham) Ltd, the firm changed to Barker Ellis Silver Co Ltd.
      On January 2, 1979, the firm obtained a Federal registration in the USA for the trademarks Ellis & Co, Barker Ellis and Ellis Barker (the marks were cancelled in 1988).
      The company went into administration in 1992."

      That is the anomaly.

      In this case it might be old stock being hallmarked in 2002 for the Golden Jubilee.

    11. Steptoe1 Steptoe1, 3 years ago
      Thanks vet great info and sounds puzzling about the dates, if they went into administration in 92
    12. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Old stock readied for the Jubilee makes sense.
      In England you can't sell a silver item without the hallmarks.
      Even an antique item 300 years old without those marks is considered illegal until they are sent to the guild hall for marking.

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