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    Posted 4 years ago

    Labfreak7
    (2 items)

    Lovely 10" tall vase.
    It has a dragon that runs along the top
    Don't think it had a lid.
    It is hand painted- I can see brush strokes.
    It also has numerous scenes of a family.
    Anyone have any ideas as to what / when it was made? Thanks in advance

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    1. APEXantiques APEXantiques, 11 months ago
      This is a lovely Guangxu Period (late 19th Century) Chinese Canton Export-ware (also known as Famille Rose or Rose Medallion) vase.
      Looks to be in great shape, nice find!
    2. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      i wonder if it is that easy there are 4 generations of this and the quality is inconsistent , but you could be right the ferro sedimentation is in your favour
    3. APEXantiques APEXantiques, 4 months ago
      No, it's definitely not all that easy but if one has handled enough of these pieces from across the whole range of periods, one gets to know the colour variations, level of detail differences, general quality (& its overall decline over the passage of time) one becomes able to make a reasonably accurate "educated guess"... Insomuch as one can based solely on photos.
      You sound like you really know your stuff.
    4. truthordare truthordare, 4 months ago
      The ceramic seems to be pottery and not porcelain, plus the fact it is not marked in anyway, which should be if an export item from late 19th.

      The famille rose or rose medallion decors were not applied in this manner, with an inconsistent arrangement of reserves with figural scenes. Just some my own perceptions about this piece, I am no professional expert.

      A famille rose decor:
      https://i.etsystatic.com/10096304/r/il/9e71bd/2347155711/il_794xN.2347155711_bjx5.jpg
    5. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      tod is right for the value you have to take daoguang out of the equation = the most value you can judge this by means of the diadeen and the bright the vividness of the floors and tables , the frotte ( = french ) tomatosoap floors are not the best

      there is a you tube instruction about this stuff, this is reasonable quality but not daoguang quality
    6. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      look at the dispersion of the purple its too frotte, but this is reasonable value , but quite common
    7. APEXantiques APEXantiques, 4 months ago
      apostata,
      You're right, by this point production of most goods for the Western market had become more about quantity than quality but at the end of the day, this is a decorative piece, not of historic importance so it is worth whatever the market decides.
      Right now, the market for these pieces i buoyant, there a plenty of buyers willing to pay handsomely for good sized, undamaged pieces that have good colour and full enamel retention, so yes not uncommon but it definitely wouldn't be a cheap pot either.
    8. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      EARLY 19TH C. FAMILLE ROSE / CANTON ROSE MEDALLION DISH doyle =
      first generation = daoguang and jiaging

      more detailed roses , shining copper diadeem, late qianlong influence = the blue part of it and a vivid shining fence, no tomatosoup floor

      Chinese export rose medallion gilt bowl (1) - Porselein - China - Tweede helft 20e eeuw catawiki this is the 4th generation

      sorry i have to go i am on EEG survaillance


    9. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      Identifying Rose Canton, Medallion or Mandarin, The Basics For New Collectors

      you tube
    10. truthordare truthordare, 4 months ago
      Apex, you 1st sentence stated 19th century, which I doubt. Then good resale value of not, there are many of these on the resale market that have some kind of identification, this one does not. The quality of the enamel applications is mediocre, but the metal dragon and the size are a big plus from my experience.

      Many average Chinese buyers are now collecting their own exports, quality does not matter. I agree.
    11. truthordare truthordare, 4 months ago
      OOPs! The dragon is not metal but ceramic painted with a bronze enamel, it has 3 claws, so another anomaly.....
    12. APEXantiques APEXantiques, 4 months ago
      That is a Chilong around the neck/mouth of the vase, not a dragon!
    13. truthordare truthordare, 4 months ago
      That explains it, I had my doubts but since nobody corrected that presumption till I commented on it..... I went with the other experts here, who did not mention it before I did.....hummm.
    14. apostata apostata, 4 months ago
      well the other experts believe you knew lol

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