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    Posted 8 years ago

    kairomalte
    (79 items)

    Alfredo deleted my coment to his post 'Pallme Koenig Green Vase, Identified By Shape' from 12.Sep.2016. A correction saying that the central vase is not made by Pallme Koenig, but should correctly be assigned to Poschinger.

    He harshly continues 'Someone dared to "correct" this post. According to him, this is Poshinger, not PK. Don't anyone ever dare question me with your own opinions if you cannot Show me irrefutable proof. UNDERSTOOD? I am sick and tired of armchair experts who always find fauld with other people's Research from their comfortable anonymity.BS.' And Alfred continues 'So, it seems I struck a troll car of glass deplorables .... that's why the delete button exists!'

    Instead of using my correction as a kind help and doing some lookup in a reference book eg of the Passau Glass Museum 'Das Boehmische Glass 1700-1950' Vol V page 33 fig.V.29-V.33, then he would have easily recognized his error and avoided this 'irrefutable proof'.

    In my post the outermost left vase repeats Alfredo's vase in question. A specific characteristic attribute distinguishing Poschinger threaded vases from Pallme Koenig and Kralik is the red colour of the applied threads -actually a red thread surrounded by clear glass. The second vase of same shape is decorated by a craquele structure. Up to now, there is not yet any Pallme-Koenig vase with craquele surface known!

    In the next two photos a compilations of Poschinger vases of a very characteristic shape is collected. You see again two vases exhibiting the very characteritic read coloured threading. The other 6 vases show different, but very well known Poschinger decors. I hope, that this simple post contributes to distinguish Poschinger from Pallme-Koenig threaded vases.

    So, finally I may frankly ask who the 'armchair expert' actually might be.

    I also would like to thank 'welzebub' and 'olebodie' for their supporting comments in Alfredo's recent post.

    I took all examples from published photos of the internet like Ebay and other international auctions. I would like to thank all those unknown contributers.

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    1. welzebub welzebub, 8 years ago
      Always a pleasure Kai. I myself find your knowledge of this period and region's glass to be among the most accurate and comprehensive of any collectors or researchers I have had the pleasure of associating with.

      I have also always found you to be open to discussions of decors and attributions, even when we have disagreed, which I also find to be quite refreshing.

      Great Post!!
    2. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 8 years ago
      Nice post Kai. I also posted a message nicely directing Al to visit his PGM photos which show Poshinger case #16. But, sadly, that post was also deleted so I posted an article showing these pieces so everyone could see them. It's not a matter of who's right or wrong, it's about being open to possibilities and learning as much as we can about this glass. Your wonderful photos and shape comparisons are always so helpful.
    3. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 8 years ago
      Thank you for the excellent post; the additional vases images that you use to illustrate your point are very helpful and clearly support the attribution.
    4. scottvez scottvez, 8 years ago
      Thanks for this educational posting! It is much appreciated.

      scott
    5. Rick55 Rick55, 8 years ago
      Excellent article... Well written and supported by examples. A couple of pieces I literally flipped over is top left in pic 2 and bottom right in pic 3... Fantastic!!
    6. kairomalte, 8 years ago
      Thank you for all your kind comments, conrtibutions, Loves and Likes.
    7. philmac51 philmac51, 8 years ago
      Slightly off topic Kai, but this post: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/97518-czechoslovakian--powder-decor-with-mica some time ago you found a source that might id Jericho's vases (decor study) as Harrach "Brocatglass". I have just acquired a vase of this type and I was wondering, if it wasn't too much trouble as I don't have the book would it be possible to send me images of the referenced pages if you don't mind. philmacaulay@mac.com
    8. philmac51 philmac51, 8 years ago
      Thank you very much for going to the trouble Kai, I very much appreciate your help on this. Cheers.

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