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    Posted 3 years ago

    kyratango
    (431 items)

    THE FRONT VIEWS ARE ON INDIVIDUAL POSTS, SEEN IN COLLECTION:
    Mysterious maker's mark: "etruscan urn". | kyratango | Collectors Weekly
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/user/kyratango/mysterious-makers-mark-etruscan-urn

    This mark, which I call etruscan urn, shows evolution, but always on 900 or 925 silver paste jewellery.

    Either stamped on the same punch or separate, as shown in pics.

    All the pieces I saw date between 1880 and 1910'.

    This maker was prolific and he sometimes produced same models than Knoll and Pregizer:
    The monkeys brooch, leaves, butterflies.

    Paris1925 and Katherine thought it was the French amphora hallmark:

    French Hallmarks - Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
    http://www.925-1000.com/Ffrench_marks2.html

    But this mark, from 1958 to present, is only for 999 pure silver coins or bullions and only struck in Paris!

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    1. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      Have you pulled out all your hair yet? LOL
    2. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Haha Bonnie! Not yet, only half bald ;-P

      If I could speak/write German, I'd explore Jewellery forums in Deutschland and Austria...
      I'm sure there is some documentation there...
      My search with German keywords gave...NADA!
    3. pebble pebble, 3 years ago
      I still think it looks a bit like a royal orb with a crown shape on top....
    4. pebble pebble, 3 years ago
      Actually, looking at the third pic I can see an old ship head-on with a central mast and two sails billowing out to the sides! It's a bit like the old ink-blot test, isn't it?
    5. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Lol Pebble, wondering what Bb2 would see in the ink blot... ;-))
      We already had a squid, a spindle, a flaming pot, a cactus in pot... will add the crowned orb and the old ship, thank you!
    6. Peasejean55 Peasejean55, 3 years ago
      I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this perplexing mark, I have every faith that this mystery will be solved.
    7. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      :DDDDD that urn again
    8. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      Kyra, I speak german... if you need some help
    9. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Jean, thanks for your faith ;-) I hope it will!

      Oh, Lentilka, you're adorable!
      Agram proposed too her help, if any of you could explore German jewelery forums and submit my pics, with translation of my write up for identification, I'm sure there is someone there who has informations (I'm convinced this maker is from Germany...)
    10. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      I can translate your identificaton and post it and then translate back what they say, and translate back your words. Is there a german forum where you are especially interested to post it?
    11. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Lentilka, I don't know any forum in German :-/
      And google translators give funny surrealist translations, so my try was short ended, lol!

      I submitted some months ago on a Belgian/French antique collectors and sellers site with still no answer...
      Thank you so much for your help, I promise you a head place on the wall of fame ;-))
    12. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      :D You guys helped me numerous times, you are on my wall of fame.
    13. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      I made a post here:
      http://www.goldseiten-forum.com/thread/20913-wer-kennt-diesen-silber-schmuck-hersteller/

      Waiting for an another registration until its approved.
    14. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Lentilka... in one word... WUNDERBAR!
      Already a question :-D

      Don't worry for translation of the answers, I can better or less understand, just not able to write or speak (3 years of learning as 2nd langage at school...)!

      They may want to see front of the pieces too, of course you can use my pics :-)
    15. lentilka11, 3 years ago
      gerne :)
    16. Agram.m Agram.m, 3 years ago
      I take a good look in books on German Websites but there is no (Crown)Reichskrone, Sun or (half moon) Halbmond - the German Stamp Act of 1884 so I think this jewelry is not made in Germany. I've seen this stamp before but I cannot remember where, the old age I think. I keep looking for it!
    17. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Thanks Marga for your time :-)
      Is the stamp act book a register of the maker's marks?
      Could you try with amphora, or antique vase/urn symbols?
    18. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 3 years ago
      Don't give up kyratango, and I have a feeling you will not :)
      I can't get it off my mind that the mark looks like something from the cyrillic alphabet.
    19. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 3 years ago
      Kyratango I have emailed you some links to jewelry with this mark.
    20. kyratango kyratango, 3 years ago
      Elisabethan, thanks for your support, and links in E-Mail! (yes, the mark again...!)
    21. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 3 years ago
      Wouldn't it be wonderful if Lentilka or Marga can get an answer for you Pascale after all this time........we are all keeping our fingers crossed for sure!!
    22. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 3 years ago
      I also hope you find an answer soon. This maker seams to have been very productive and because of that it's amazing that it's so hard to find out more. There must be an answer out there for such a productive maker.
    23. Chalcedony, 6 days ago
      I researched this mark too, as I had a silver Belle Epoque style pendant with the same markings. I really wonder if it could be a contemporary creation trying to pass as antique. It's just very odd that this maker was so prolific.
      Also, a seller of 'antique' jewellery was selling an item with this mark some time ago. I started buying from this seller twelve years ago and still wonder if the Georgian ring they sold me is authentic. They often list jewellery 'in the style of', mixed with their antique listings, so you have to read their descriptions carefully. Since then, I've often wondered how clear the split between their genuine antiques and the reproductions ones is. So anything they list, I don't really trust, and it raised a red flag that they were selling an item with the mysterious Etruscan urn...
    24. kyratango kyratango, 4 days ago
      Hi Chalcedony!
      Glad to "meet" another searcher for this "urn" mark!
      AND, VERY HAPPY to say I id it as sold by PARISIAN DIAMOND COMPANY!

      See my posts there:

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/user/kyratango/mysterious-makers-mark-etruscan-urn

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/254184-any-infos-on-the-parisian-diamond-compan?in=collection-5608

      Confirmation given by member kjsn posting, showing her antique comb bearing the mark, together with original documents:

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/261457-parisian-diamond-company?in=collection-5608

      Back of the comb showing the mark:

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/261480-parisian-design-company-markings?in=collection-5608
    25. Chalcedony, 2 days ago
      Hi Kyratango!
      That's amazing. I'm so glad you found out who made the pieces as I spent lots of time researching it at one point.
      It's so interesting that a company back in 1900 would be so prolific; I have a skewed view of the past, so assumed far fewer pieces were produced back then. That's why I found it more probable that they were copies. I still have lots to learn!

      The pendant I had looked exquisite, so carefully made. I'm not surprised people are collecting these and well done to those who got them at bargain prices.
    26. kyratango kyratango, 2 days ago
      Thank you Chalcedony! This company was advertised from the 1890s until it stopped in approx 1908. Google for old advertisements and you'll see how proeminent was their "imitation" jewellery and how in these times you had right to use the word diamond for imitation!
      Their premises in London were VERY luxuous. Still a lot to find about their vanishing, and what maker did these beauties for them.

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