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    Posted 4 years ago

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    I am interested in learning more about this commissioned Loetz box. It is clearly a creta Papillon with a strawberry DEK in gold. The DEK number 17 is painted inside the lid also in gold. The inside of the bottom also has the number 17 painted on it but it is very worn due to use. The box is 4.5" in dia. and 2.5" tall. On the outside bottom is a paper label from A. Rupp Meistersdorf, Nice.

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    1. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Thanks sklo42, aura, Glassie!
    2. vetraio50 vetraio50, 4 years ago
    3. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Thanks vetraio50, thanks welzebub!
    4. IVAN49 IVAN49, 4 years ago
      The label seen here is a great find because it demystifies common myth that almost every Bohemian iridescent glass must be Loetz. Even with documented décor it`s not. There were countless glass manufacturers in Bohemia at the time and they were capable of producing every type of glass. According to a Czech glass curator, most of Bohemian glass can seldom be attributed to a particular manufacturer. Even if signed for export the exact place of manufacture remains obscure because many smaller manufacturers were often engaged to meet particular orders. Musterschnitte was sent to sub- contractors and glass was made elsewhere by smaller manufacturers.
      Pay attention what was done in a village of Meistersdorf with only 963 inhabitants (10 glass refineries, 16 glass-cutting and 16 glass-painting workshops).
      Meistersdorf or Mistrovice in Czech (pronounced Mistrovitse) was a small glass manufacturing location in Bohemia. In 1833 Mistrovice had 117 houses and 854 inhabitants, who were mostly glassworkers and glass merchants. Ten years later there were 13 glass refineries and the important glass warehouse of Ignaz Pelikan in the village. With the boom in glass production in the 19th century, the village grew rapidly and reached its highest population in 1890 with 1387.In 1939 Mistrovice had 963 inhabitants. The main focus was on the glass refinement: in the town there were 10 glass refineries, 16 glass-cutting and 16 glass-painting workshops. Other inhabitants worked in the glass factories in Parchen, Ullrichstal and Steinschönau.

    5. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Thanks Ivonne, fortapache, Moonhill, LOUMANAL,
    6. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Thanks IVAN49 for all this awesome information!

      While I cannot speak for the abundance of other unknown Bohemian glass pieces, I am certain that this is a Loetz Papillon. I am curious to know the PN and more about Rupp. I reference the Musterschnitte where A. Rupp of Vichy has a commission number of 1858. This suggests that Rupp had Loetz produce certain items for them.

      Also, as I find very little info about Rupp, I reference Warren's post of several years ago, where he examined a known Loetz shape that had a Rupp label painted on it.

      Thanks again! I love learning the history of these 115 year old pieces of glass and the people behind them.
    7. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Also, Warren's post was two-part and included several more photos...
    8. IVAN49 IVAN49, 4 years ago
      Clearly marked Meistersdorf (either paper label or more importantly in enamel) and with 16 glass-painting workshops in Meistersdorf, glass transported across entire Bohemia more than 300 km to Klostermühle to be enameled. I still do not get it, but never mind.
    9. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 4 years ago
      Yes, a lovely example of Crete Papillon and it is nice to see another new DEK identified. Unless you subscribe to Kant's philosophy, one of the beauties of collecting Loetz is knowing it is what it is!
    10. Sammyz Sammyz, 4 years ago
      Thanks LovelyPat, thanks again IVAN49, and thank you LoetzDance!
    11. rhineisfine rhineisfine, 1 year ago
      Very very lovely :)
    12. Sammyz Sammyz, 1 year ago
      Thank you rhineisfine!

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