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    Posted 3 years ago

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    I just purchased this set from Good Will .I’ve never seen these marks. I’m guessing that these are from the late 1800s. Some of the plates are signed by Eleanor Crane. I’m new at collecting china. For china this age there is no chips , cracks or crazing . I welcome any or all feedback. Please let me know what you think.
    Kathy C

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    1. kathyc1963, 3 years ago
      I’m seeking help to identify this china. Please help
    2. SpiritBear, 3 years ago
      The top mark in pic 3 is late 1880s-1890s, but I'm unsure of the bottom mark. Could be newer. Could be older. What's nice about two distinct marks is that sometimes it helps to better narrow down the period-- when we know when the mark was used!

      The gold may have been hand-painted, but the flowers and other detailed aspects are decals (appliques) in most cases outside of 'Nippon' (Japan) stuff.

    3. SpiritBear, 3 years ago
      Oh, some pieces weren't decorated at the place of manufacture, but were decorated by people who bought the blanks on the retail market. That might be Mrs. Crane.
    4. kathyc1963, 3 years ago
      Thank you so much. That helps a lot. I bet you’re right that Eleanor crane bought the pieces and painted them. How do you store such old China? I have a lot of vintage but never anything this old.
    5. SpiritBear, 3 years ago
      To be honest, I have both ironstone and porcelain sat atop each other on an exposed table in the basement. To prevent scratching the decals, I put a napkin on each piece and store the most frail at the top till I need a piece for some theme of dinner. LOL. For enamel (usually looks like really thick paint) I wrap them as the enamel risks falling off. Enamel-painted stuff is usually more decorative or reserved for such as sugar-bowls.
      Be gentle. Your pieces weren't meant for daily use.
    6. Gillian, 3 years ago

      I can't see Eleanor Crane marked on any of the pieces shown, or the initials E.C. - can you let me know which photo I could find her signature please? I can see the name Eleanor Crane on a china type of business card.

      I think what SpiritBear means by 'decals/appliques' is 'transfer ware'. If your set was transfer ware then every depiction of the pattern would be the same. Many porcelain and china manufacturers hand painted their collections, and employed many designers/painters. Do a google search on Transfer Ware.

      I notice the piece to the right of what looks like a covered sugar bowl(?), which I think is a sugar shaker, has a completely different decoration than the rest of the set.

      I don't know how far you want to go collecting china, but I would encourage you to get as much 'education' as possible. Know what you're buying, ask questions, go to estate sales etc. I apologise if I sound preachy.
    7. kathyc1963, 3 years ago
      Maybe not in these photos, I have Plates where she literally signed the front of the plate. I wish I could give you more information. I’m limited on how much I can share. I’m really grateful for this website and I don’t know all the guidelines yet , I’m just trying to make sure I don’t cross any lines. Your feedback didn’t sound preachy, I thought it sounded pretty wise. Thanks
    8. Gillian, 3 years ago
      I wish you could give me more information too.
    9. Gillian, 3 years ago
      Aha - Here's the first post. Apologies to kathyc.
    10. SpiritBear, 3 years ago
      No, this differs from transferware. Transferware is where you engrave a copper or steel plate and ink it, lay a special paper over it, and apply that whole sheet (sometimes needing two+ sheets on one side alone) over an earthern vessel and firing that all together.
      Decals, or appliques, are different and are still used today in the craft-world.

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