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*NOTE* This is being uploaded strictly due to historical interest. I mainly collect British and Canadian militaria, however that being said, I do have a interest in history in general and I do collect the odd WWII German item. The Nazis were the "bad guys" of WWII. Despite their bad rap in history, they had extremely nice and well made clothing and headgear, probably the nicest any nation made during the war. Despite me saying this, there are certain people that do not understand what collecting is and will be offended by just looking at this armband. As I said, the Germans get a very bad rap for all the things that went on, many terrible atrocities, but in war all sides commit atrocities. I am not in any way shape or form defending anything bad that the Nazis did, but everyone seems to look the other way at the millions of people killed by Stalin and the Bolsheviks. This is often overlooked because they were with the "good guys." A large percentage of the Militaria collecters collect WWII German Militaria, everyone wants a piece of this unique but terrible history. Some people think no one should even be allowed to own these items. If we start to censor and destroy these objects, we start to forget the history. And those who forget history are bound to repeat it. Anyway, I don't mean to offend anyone by posting this object, strictly historical interest to a unique past.. Anyway, let's get to the object at hand.

This is a very nice original WWII period German NSDAP armband. The Armband is in good condition for it's age with no tares and only minor staining on the white circle part of the armband. The armband is red with a white circle that sports the symbol of the Nazi regime, the swastika. The armband is a 3 piece construction and is very well made. To the back of the armband is white circle that is the back threading to the white part of the circle which is the 2nd layer of the 3 piece construction, the 1st layer being the red band, and the 3rd being the Swastika itself. The arm band can be neatly folded or spread out to be put on. It would have originally put on the left arm of the wearer, and worn at all sorts of events including the infamous Nazi rallies. For all I know, this very armband could have "seen" the Fuhrer himself, or been present during one of his speeches to the German people. I believe this armband was originally worn by a member of the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers Party) - or the Nazi Party, but this pattern of armband was not only worn by the NSDAP but also by the SA, NSKK, RAD and numerous civil agencies. German items are mass reproduced and notoriously faked, as they fetch very high prices for even common items. This armband came from a credible dealer in Inverness, Scotland and was apparently a war bring back. I also had this armband checked out by experts on a forum and this is no doubt an 100% authentic piece, but even without the credible source or the experts, I already knew when I first received this piece in the mail and held it for the first time that this was the real deal. The staining and worn look to it, I am almost certain it has seen historical events unfold, and was probably worn at a few rallies, though one can only speculate. All I'm saying is who knows what this armband has witnessed! Overall a fantastic condition original German WWII Armband.

The last picture is a picture I found on online to show what this armband may have looked like while on the uniform of a NSDAP member. It would have gone on the left arm of the political khaki uniform of the NSDAP member, or a member of another civil organization of the Reich.

It may seem very odd to some of you, but I really like this piece as a piece of history, not what it represents, but what it has seen unfold. The fact that it once belonged to a cult like group that for a few years had control over much of Europe, and even had a shot at world domination. A symbol that once held so much power and authority, that once struck fear into the enemies of the Third Reich, now utterly powerless, sitting and collecting dust on my shelf.

I have very few WWII German items in my collection, as I said I mainly collect British stuff, but I may do some more WWII German item posts in the future. As always, I hope you have enjoyed this post. Thank you for stopping by!

Comments

  1. fortapache fortapache, 1 month ago
    Great post. Yes we all have to post the disclaimer when posting items with the swastika. I am felt I needed to make a disclaimer before making a reply.
  2. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Wish I had all that stuff given to me when I was a kid ! Probably $1/4+ million today. A lot of the party appeal came from the regalia. Hundreds of thousands of SS volunteers were non-German who mainly wanted to fight the Communists & that fact was swept under the rug after the war. It was a tragic era and filled with endless facets to research. I view it as an almost religious cult & marvel at how an intelligent nation, population almost equal to the U.S. at the time, was drawn in ? Maybe we should look around us more closely.
  3. Tanni Tanni, 1 month ago
    History isn't always pretty. The Nazis were bad indeed.
    I do agree that we cannot and should not forget history.
    This is a huge part of WWII history.
    Thanks for sharing.
  4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    As a Hannover girlfriend said, "Ve ver not trying to take over the Vorld. Ve just vanted to find a better climate". Is this wool or cotton ?
  5. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 1 month ago
    Agree with you and I have always believed the Commies such as stalin were worse than Hitler. They definitely killed as many jews but they were overlooked. Where were the americans when they took power ? Yikes.
    Whether you like or hate the Nazis, some of the best programs on their regime has come out on the History channels during the last couple years and now. Some very good remarks on this post !
    Collecting Nazi items is a legitimate collecting field. And ONLY if you are a dedicated consumate collector can you possibly know what it is to collect the good and bad times and years of history and possibly be interested in items such as these which are often decreed taboo !!~
  6. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Fortapache,

    Thank you for your kind words. Yes I thought I better put a disclaimer or else I'd probably get some odd looks, lol. Thanks for your love and comments as always.

    Blunderbuss,

    I believe you would've fainted at the prices that were supposedly placed on German items like 30-40 years ago, very low prices for a good SS helmet, the ones with bad decals were literally thrown into piles, you like at a good SS helmet today, $6,000-$10,000 for a non-rare standard SD SS helmet, upwards of $20,000 for some rare black SS DD helmets, true insanity, and some go for even higher. Those prices are mainly guesses but they do fetch a lot. If only I had a time machine, lol. I'll never be getting an SS helmet at that price, because with the price of one SS helmet, you can get 100 British items! Speaking of the SS and back to your comment the SS gets a horrible rap, but as you said, so many of them were trying to save their land/countries from the Bolsheviks, i'd say the SS was more diverse than the Wehrmacht. I've seen some SS volunteer tunics, some don't even have eagles/swastikas anywhere. It also bugs me when people see a normal Wehrmacht infantry soldier on television or movies and call them an "evil nazi" there are bad people on ever side during the war, the Wehrmacht did bad things too (but not as bad as the SS), but many Wehrmacht were good people trying to defend their country from the communists, and foreign invaders like the Americans. I could go on for hours, but anyway I'll just say in war all sides are guilty of atrocities, and in no way am I defending anyone, but the history is written by the victor. I see the rise and fall of the Third Reich as a tragedy, all that death and destruction could have been avoided, very sad times back then. Anyway as for the material of the armband to answer your question I believe it is cotton. Thank for for your comments as always and for stopping by!

  7. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Tanni,

    Thank you for your comment, I agree, this symbol is a huge part of history and everyone should learn to know about it, not to censor or try to remove it from history. Everyone should learn everything that happened in order for it to never happen again. Thanks again!

    PhilDMorris,

    Thank you for you comment. I am glad you agree, plus they sent millions of their own people to the gulags, or staved them. I can understand what a scared German citizen of the time might have done, he would have enlisted in the Wehrmacht or SS to fight the Bolsheviks. I don't know that anyone these days can grasp the global threat communism had to the world back in the 30s and 40s in Europe, and then afterwards in the 50s and 60s in Asia, I wasn't alive for it but looking back at old events and articles, it was a very scary time indeed. All Communism does it create sadness, starvation and conflict. And yes, there's huge collecting fairs for these items, many collectors love things like German uniforms, caps, armbands, daggers, medals, etc. I'd venture to say that way more militaria collectors collect German stuff than British and Commonwealth stuff. Because everyone likes to have something to the "bad guys" and plus like them or not, the had the most beautiful uniforms that I believe a military regime has ever had. Even mailmen and postal officials wore well made civil uniforms with caps and eagles, etc. Anyway it's a shame that everyone these days are brainwashed and that many even see the Communists as the "good guys" of WWII, what they did before, during, and after the war is way more appalling than what the Germans did, yet the Germans are history's scapegoat I guess. In war there are good and bad people on every side, but the loosing side will suddenly become all bad people. Anway, thank you very much for your comment.

    Best regards,

    -Jamie
  8. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Thank you everyone for all the loves and comments!
  9. SpiritBear SpiritBear, 1 month ago
    Don't worry. No one who has any idea why this site is here, is gonna think you're a Nazi for showing it. On this site it's a conversation-starting piece of history, not a sign that you're supporting genocide and bigotry.
  10. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Well said SpiritBear, it is a website for collectors after all. We may not all collect the same things, but we can all respect and understand why people collect what they collect. Thank you for your comment and support.

    Best regards,

    -Jamie
  11. AnythingObscure AnythingObscure, 1 month ago
    I can't quite bring myself to hit the "I love this" button for this item, for the same reason I wouldn't be able to do so for an item which was an overt relic of 'slavery', for instance. (I likewise personally wouldn't care to 'collect' such items myself, though likely would keep/preserve such a thing if I otherwise ended up with it)

    I DO, however, absolutely agree that we all must not ever censor such "distasteful" aspects of the common history which every single one of us now shares, whether we want to or not.

    Thank you BlackWatch, for an excellent post.
  12. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 1 month ago
    You know what they say...'All's fair in love and war'! You did a real good job with this post and brought to attention some very important points. Nice.
  13. Caperkid Caperkid, 1 month ago
    Jamie another great informative post. My opinion is the Nazies military dress ,was the best of its time.
  14. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    AnythingObscure,

    I understand why you can't quite bring yourself to hit the love button on this piece, but I nevertheless appreciate your like. Thank you very much for your kind words and support.

    shareurpassion,

    All is fair in love and war indeed. Thank you for your kind words, I always try my best to do the best job I can with all of my posts, thank you again for stopping by.

    Roy,

    Many thanks for your comment and loves yet again. I would have to agree with you, despite how much I absolutely love my British militaria, the Germans had the best military best of it's time, even the frontline soldier in the middle of battle looked like he was dressed to impress. World War Two, in my opinion, would mark an end to military uniforms being mostly "fashionable" and went into the current area where they look pretty nice but they are mainly practical. Many thanks once again my friend.

    Best regards,

    -Jamie
  15. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Just to correct my statement in #2 about 100's of thousands of non Germans in the SS. Delved into it a bit & came up with 1/2 million. At the end of the war, more than 1/2 of the waffen SS was non German.
  16. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 1 month ago
    Great post and item. WW2's a grim but interesting part of history, there's no question of who the 'bad guys' were. Personally it makes me a bit uneasy but can understand why people collect it. What I'd really like to know is how it was fixed around the arm?
  17. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Blunderbuss,

    Thanks for the facts, that's a big percentage of SS being non-German. Did you know the 13th SS (Croatian) Division even had ethnics and Muslims in it. If you've ever seen a picture of an SS fez hat before, that is the unit that they were worn by I believe. Many SS volunteers were just trying to defend their homes, families, and people from the Bolsheviks, which they saw as a greater evil than the Reich. This is often overlooked, and to most people the SS and just the evil Germans, even more "evil" than the Wehrmacht.

    Vintagefran,

    Many thanks for your comment. Indeed, WWII is grim but extremely interesting. I'm actually not sure how the armband is fixed around the arm and how it doesn't fall off... I must look into that.

    Best regards,

    -Jamie
  18. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Quite a few French volunteered for the SS. Indians( tired of being treated as sub-human by the Brits), Dutch, African blacks etc.. The list goes on & on. Even a few Brits as well as 10K Irish. I found accts. that approx. 90 % of the SS in the Battle for Berlin were non-German ! Fascinating facet of study & doesn't jive with your average biased history books. Don't ever think that Churchill had lesser ambitions for controlling the world that Stalin or Hitler. Adolph succeeded most, as nobody emulates his hair style or mustache. LOL !
  19. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    One can only imagine what the world would be like today if the Germans had won the war. The story of the SS, and that of the Third Reich is that of a tragedy, all the death and destruction could have been avoided.
  20. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Uncle Adolf's leadership lead Germany to be the 1st country out of the depression era. He lost mental control afterwards. As an outsider looking in, the "States" appear to be fascist, or on the fast track in that direction. Insiders looking out will argue about that, but are programed to think that way.
  21. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    blunder,

    I completely agree. Before the war, Hitler was a great politician that turned Germany into a European Empire once again, straight out of the depression and fallout of the Great War. But absolute power corrupts absolutely, when given power, some people just go mad, and I think that is what happened to Adolf. We have to take a closer look at the past to examine the present and our future.
  22. valentino97 valentino97, 1 month ago
    Vintagefran - probably stitched to elastic so those SOBs could take it off when they were around the Germans who weren't Nazis.
  23. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Val, only party members wore this armband.
  24. Roycroftbooksfromme1 Roycroftbooksfromme1, 1 month ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_the_Nazi_Party
  25. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    Those poor misunderstood little Nazis ! LOL ! I was afraid that this would turn into a radical reply post, but it turned out well and informative. You're expecting my usual anecdote & I aim to please. We had this older German, Otto living in St. Eustatius, NA who told us he "vas only in der Youth Korp". We kidded him about being the oldest member. Otto was coming out of La poste one day looking at his mail when I was walking in. I raised my arm & said "Sieg heil". Otto threw up his arm & caught himself and said, "You got me that time, Lucas". LOL !!
  26. BlackWatch BlackWatch, 1 month ago
    Blunder,

    That post maybe laugh so hard, LOL! I don't know what else to say but that is hilarious. Your stories never cease to impress me, Blunder, and in this case, make me laugh. The Hitler Youth sure was and interesting idea, I think some of the Hitler Youth fought against the commies near the final days of the Reich in the Battle of Berlin. WWII has so much interesting facts and stories, that changed our world drastically for sure. Thanks for all your comments again, I too am surprised, it was a civil and educated discussion, no radical posts! Your story was too funny!

    Best regards,

    -Jamie
  27. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 1 month ago
    My reply to Otto was, "Old habits are hard to break". The house I owned in St. Eustatius was used to hide European art until after the war. They were brought in by U-boot & the Dutch collaborator, I bought the house from, sold them after the war & bought a "castle" in sud de France. He is/was only allowed in the Nederlands 2 weeks per year after the war.

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