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    Posted 7 months ago

    bobby725
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    Found this a while ago in an old building I was cleaning out. If you have not seen one of these before join the club! I thought it was just a homemade ceramic piece until I stumbled across a similar lithophane shade on line, (the second pic is with no light) so I decided to put a light in it and saw these great images! There are 4 images total. It is 3 3/4" across, 3" tall and the top opening is 2". How do I determine the age of this and can anyone point me in the direction of what kind of lamp base I should look for? Thanks for lookin! Rob

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    1. bobby725 bobby725, 7 months ago
      Thanks fortapache for stopping by!
    2. TreasureTex TreasureTex, 7 months ago
      Oh my goodness, that's a fantastic find! Be careful with it, for sure. Congratulations.
    3. bobby725 bobby725, 7 months ago
      Thanks TreasureTex for the love it! Do you know anything about these shades, like how to tell how old it is? Thanks again!
    4. bobby725 bobby725, 7 months ago
      Thank you Thomas for the thumbs up!
    5. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks AdeleC for the love it!
    6. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks Newfld,

      vetraio50'

      and aura for the love its!!!
    7. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      bobby725, Beautiful. I love lithophanes.

      You've probably already seen the more modern ones from theporcelaingarden dot com, Limoges, Lladro, etc., so I won't bother you with those, but here's a similar one ( I say similar because of the material and general shape of the shade):

      *snip*

      OPAQUE GLASS WITH LITHOPHANE SHADE MINIATURE LAMP, opaque white, pyriform font with pedestal foot; barrel-form porcelain lithophane dome shade with three various paneled scenes of a young woman, base with series of air holes. Fitted with a Thiel & Bardenheuer burner, colorless chimney. Fourth quarter 19th/early 20th century. 8 1/8" H to top of shade, 4 5/8" H to top of collar, 2 5/8" D foot.
      Undamaged lamp and setup.
      Literature: Font parallels Smith - Miniature Lamps I, p. 192, fig. 460.
      Provenance: Barbara and Moe Tourison collection.

      *snip*

      https://www.liveauctioneers.com/en-gb/item/70921339_opaque-glass-with-lithophane-shade-miniature-lamp
    8. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks keramikos! I love this shade too! I`m very new to these. When you look at them unlit they look like a mistake, I was glad that I didn`t discard it when I first saw it! I hope I can locate a lamp base to hold this, not sure of how it should go onto a lamp. Thanks again for the info! Rob
    9. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks hunterqlee for stopping by!
    10. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks Manikin for the love it!
    11. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      bobby725, I didn't realize that you weren't previously acquainted with lithophanes. Here's some background:

      *snip*

      Lithophanes are porcelain pictures made by casting clay in layers of various thicknesses. When a piece is held to the light, a picture of light and shadow is seen through it. The darker and lighter parts of a lithophane are made by varying the thickness of the porcelain. Most lithophanes date from the 1825-1875 period. A few are still being made. Many lithophanes sold today were originally panels for lampshades.

      *snip*

      https://www.kovels.com/price-guide/pottery-porcelain-price-guide/lithophanes.html

      Somebody posted some examples here at CW S&T:

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/34597-fairy-lamps--lithophanes

      That third example has a shade quite a bit like yours, but I don't know if you want to go that way in looking for a base to support yours.

      What you could do in the short run is get a Corelle Winter White saucer as a base:

      https://www.corelle.com/product/livingwaretm-winter-frost-white-625-saucer

      That little depression in the middle of the saucer is almost perfectly sized to accommodate a tealight. That way, you'd have something similar to these:

      https://www.glow.co.uk/lithophane-dome-tealight-holders.html

      You could use ordinary candle-power tealights, but if you do, I recommend the kind that are enclosed in little metal cups. That way, when the paraffin is consumed, you just throw out the metal cup, and there's no cleanup.

      You could also use LED tealights. They make them battery-driven, or rechargeable.
    12. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks keramikos for all of the information!!! I am learning a lot about these great pieces! I came very close to discarding mine but kept noticing the figures on it and kept it around, I have some stoneware saucers and am going to try one soon!! Thanks again!!! Rob
    13. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Keramikos, do you think this one is from the 1800`s? the scenes look like that period. Thanks again! Rob
    14. Sammyz Sammyz, 6 months ago
      How awesome! I love the detail and depth of the images! Great find!
    15. Sammyz Sammyz, 6 months ago
      I just found a single panel in the exact pattern of the fox and cubs. It is an antique located in Belgium so I wonder if yours is old European?
    16. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks Sammyz for the comments! I`m wondering the same, when I found this I didn`t know what I had and for some reason kept it! It is completely different from unlit to lit! Thanks again!
    17. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      bobby725, Sammyz, I have no idea of the vintage of this lithophane shade, as I am definitely not an expert.

      I myself only became aware of lithophanes when I was in a shop in the Pacific Northwest back in the 1980s/1990s, saw a relatively modern luminaire made of lithophane panels, was immediately entranced, and had to have it.

      The Porcelain Garden still sells that particular luminaire to this day (although I can assure you that you could take the MSD off of that current price tag to get an idea of what it cost me way back then):

      https://www.theporcelaingarden.com/p-15-woodland-sunbeams-lt02.aspx

      TPG has a detailed history of lithophanes on their website:

      https://www.theporcelaingarden.com/t-history.aspx

      As to the lithophane shade in this post, a search for the specific images turned up this:

      http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=172595662228

      The seller seems to think it's German.

      It turns out that there is a lithophane museum:

      https://www.lithophanemuseum.org/

      Perhaps they could provide more information about this particular lithophane.
    18. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Aha. I did some more poking around at the museum website, and found that deer image in their 2018 exhibit:

      *snip*

      The Blair Museum's 2018 exhibit Into the Woods presents an abundant selection of European Woodland and Mountainous lithophanic images. The first glance at one of these scenes draws the viewer into an enchanted vignette and introduces visitors to an innovation in lighting and ceramics begun in Germany and France in the late 1820s. This movement peaked by the 1850s when high production by many manufactures provided lithophanes for both royalty and middle classes.

      *snip*

      The lithophanes in this exhibit are classified as belonging to the arts of the 19th century Biedermier [sic] Era, arts characterized as appealing to the middle class.

      *snip*

      https://www.lithophanemuseum.org/exhibitions-events/blogging-from-your-live-site-mobile

      https://static.wixstatic.com/media/2669ea_5bd58b8ac1d64a31ae9cbd64492470de~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_720,h_532,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/2669ea_5bd58b8ac1d64a31ae9cbd64492470de~mv2.webp

      Biedermier should read Biedermeier.

      This also looks like a good resource:

      https://media.hugendubel.de/coverscans/305PDF/9783954981083_leseprobe_01.pdf
    19. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks valentino97 and ho2cultcha for the love its!!
    20. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks again keramikos for the added info! I will check it out tonight!
    21. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks lisa ans vynil33rpm for the love its!
    22. Sammyz Sammyz, 6 months ago
      This appears to have been made by Prensaich Porzellan Manufactur in Plaue (P.P.M.) Germany, mid to late 1800's. The hunters shooting a turkey panel is PPM 142 and I will let you know the number, when the fox panel arrives. Does your shade have any markings inside?
    23. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks Sammyz for the info! There are no markings on it that I can see. I added 2 pics. that show it lit and unlit on a white saucer with a tea candle inside.
    24. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Sammyz, Woo hoo! You found the maker! Excellent detective work.

      There are oodles of references out there on the Internet to PPM lithopanes.

      bobby725, The shade looks just fine on a saucer, doesn't it? :-) And you added a picture of the fourth panel. It looks like wolves devouring a deer?
    25. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      This incredible lamp shade is also attributed to PPM:

      *snip*

      Rare 19th century lithophane porcelain lamp shade, American vedute or views, impressed titles, unsigned, attributed to PPM (Prensaich Porzellan Manufactur), straight conical shape with four American scenes interspersed with scrolled florals, this is a full molded shade-not individual panels, bisque surface, smeared gloss glaze on divider bands, top and bottom edge band.
      The four American scenes are continuing to the right
      - 1) The Niagara-Fall (PPM scene-75),
      - 2) President’s House (White House)(PPM scene-76),
      - 3) Staaten Island/Bay of New York (PPM scene-74),
      - 4) Residence of Washington-(Mt Vernon) (PPM scene-77).

      12.25”, dia, 5.5” tall, inside top rim-3.25” dia.
      Condition – overall excellent/no chips, has 3“ internal kiln hairline on one scene/attributed to manufacture. 150h

      - The manufacturing difficulty of this particular shade is extremely high due to the size of single piece construction using eight-part construction. Interior surface appears to be hand finished on a potters wheel. This is a much more difficult production in the 19th century than four individual panes. I am not interested in selling this rare size shade for the price of four individual/separate panes.
      - Attributed to PPM (Prensaich Porzellan Manufactur), Plaue, Thuringia, Germany by identical marked and numbered panels.
      - Date would be prior to the 1890’s marking of country of origin/importation laws.
      - I have further research on each of the scenes, which date prior to the 1860 period. They are after famous paintings including 1) 1831 painting of Niagara Falls, 2) 1858 painting of the White House, 3) 1849 view of Staaten Island and the Marble House, 4) 1853 view of Mt Vernon.

      *snip*

      http://www.antiques.com/classified/Antique-Lamps-and-Lighting/Antique-Table---Desk-Lamps/Antique-lithophane-student-lamp-SHADE--PPM--Niagara-Falls--White-House--Mt-Vernon--Staten-Island--12

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/lithophane-student-lamp-shade-Niagara-Falls-White-House-Mt-Vernon-Staten-12-/260963215278
    26. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks keramikos! yes, it looks great on the saucer so that`s where it will live! Yes, the fourth panel is wolves and deer, pic was taken with a nearly used up candle so not as bright.
    27. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Here's another reproduction of PPM 142 as a single lithophane panel:

      (Scroll down to see images of sold item.)

      *snip*

      Here is a wonderful antique lithophane produced by Prensaich Porzellan (Porcelain) in Germany in the mid to late 1800's. The scene is incredibly detailed, with two hunters aiming the rifle towards a grouse in a tree. Great woodland scene of trees and the mountains. The plaque measures just under 5 1/4" tall. The width of the top is 3 5/8". The width of the base is 5 1/2". It is marked PPM 142 in the lower right corner. This piece is in good condition with no chips, cracks, or repairs. This is part of a recently acquired collection of antique lithophanes.

      *snip*

      https://www.rubylane.com/item/636424-MP000882/Antique-Prensaich-German-lithophane-hunters-woods
    28. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Tantalizing. I found a colored lithophane panel lamp that describes one of the panels as wolved feeding on a deer carcass, but in order to read the full description, you have to create an account:

      *snip*


      COLORED LITHOPHANE LAMP. Very nice five panel

      shade has a different colored lithophane in each panel. One has scene of man serenading woman with violin. One has scene of wolves feeding on deer carcass. Other is a mountain ...

      *snip*

      https://www.marks4antiques.com/apa/Two-lithophane-shades-The-first-4c68a

      https://www.marks4antiques.com/apa/COLORED-LITHOPHANE-LAMP-Very-nice-b651
    29. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Another, but they seem only to have the one photograph which depict two of the panels, but the wolves one isn't one of them. Frustratingly, they mention that all of the panels have PPM numbers, but don't tell you what they are:

      *snip*

      LITHOPHANE CANDLE LAMP. Wonderful four sided candle lamp features four lithophane panels. Three of the panels depict young children; one girl saying her prayers in a wicker bassinet, two children peeking into an open cupboard and one young woman with basket of fruit speaking with another young woman seated on a stone step with a baby in arms. The fourth panel depicts a rocky mountain scene with two wolves standing over their slain deer. The panels are housed within a metal frame with green paint and copper colored trim. The lamp is finished with a candle cup suspended within a wire frame. Each panel is signed on the backside “PPM” and numbered. SIZE: 5-1/2? t. PROVENANCE: From a private Pennsylvania collection.

      *snip*

      https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/lot-1055-lithophane-candle-lamp-60273/
    30. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks again keramikos! Mine isn`t marked so not sure if it`s old or a repro. but I don`t care, I think it`s cool! Thanks again! Rob
    31. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Well, it would be nice to ID the PPM numbers for all of the images, e.g., this listing for another variation on the hexagonal American scenes lamp does just that:

      *snip*

      Hexagonal Lithophane Panel Table Lamp Shade, panels impressed PPM 74 Staaten Island, Bay of Newyork (broken), 91 Bastion Falls Kauterskill Glen, 70 President's House, 64 genre scene, 54 genre scene, 90 Passaic Falls Paterson N.J.

      *snip*

      https://www.lotsearch.de/lot/hexagonal-lithophane-panel-table-lamp-shadehexagonal-lithophane-panel-27031998?page=36

      It sounds like Sammyz bought an antique lithophane of the mother fox and kits one, and will report on the PPM number after receipt.
    32. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Keramikos, did some searching and found a couple of numbers, problem is they are 2 numbers for the same image, -ppm 932 and ppm 1142 for-Deer in the forest. So I`m not sure what that means.
    33. Sammyz Sammyz, 6 months ago
      I think i found your original lamp....take a look at this picture. I think what you have is the top half of this hanging lamp.

      http://collection-passion-etampes.over-blog.org/article-6346823.html
    34. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      bobby725, Hmmm, I see what you mean

      *snip*

      at 11 inch wd. X 13 inch ht. this is by far the largest lithophane panel anyone has ever seen. Impressed PPM 932 on the reverse. Hard to get a place with enough light to photo lit from behind, but you should get the image of this finely detailed deer in the forest scene.

      *snip*

      https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/monumental-lithophane-lithopane-panel-ppm-19th

      *snip*

      Nineteenth-Century German Lithophane: Deer in Forest Scene

      Nineteenth-Century German Lithophane

      This is marked "PPM 1142" indicating it was manufactured by Porzellan Manufactur in Plau, Germany.

      The lithophane has been housed in a conservation metal frame, which measures 217 x 256mm.

      *snip*

      https://www.postanote.co.nz/classified-ad/Nineteenth-Century-German-Lithophane-Deer-in-Forest-Scene_19372?

      I don't know, really. Unfortunately, the postanote listing doesn't show a picture of the PPM number the way the Worthpoint one does.

      Perhaps they have different numbers because they are different sizes?

      I'm going to standardize the dimensions on them:

      Worthpoint: Height: 13" (330.2mm) Width: 11" (279.4mm)

      Postanote: Height: 10.078740157" (256mm) Width: 8.5433070866" (217 mm)

      https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/length/index.html
    35. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Sammyz, Wow. Just wow.
    36. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks Sammyz for taking time to research these cool pieces!!
    37. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks keramikos for all of the research!!
    38. bobby725 bobby725, 6 months ago
      Thanks AnythingObscure for the love it!
    39. bobby725 bobby725, 5 months ago
      Thanks SEAN68 for the love it!
    40. bobby725 bobby725, 5 months ago
      Thanks Watchsearcher for the love it!

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