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    Posted 4 days ago

    LayManOfArt
    (21 items)

    Gilded Oxblood Ashtray & Lidded Tobacco Holder
    Vintage / Antique (?)
    Tobacco Holder - Standey HJB 193-42 Italy (?)
    Ashtray - 193 38 Italy H
    Age unknown ... acquired through the Joy of Thrifting.

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    1. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 4 days ago
      I suspect this is from Florence Italy. Perhaps made at Il Verrocchio Ceramica for example.

      Can we see a photo of the bottom?
    2. keramikos keramikos, 4 days ago
      mp.kunst, Thanks for asking for another picture. I concur. :-)
    3. LayManOfArt LayManOfArt, 4 days ago
      Photo update ... Can anyone identify the marking underneath "Italy".
    4. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 4 days ago
      It looks like the HJB brand (some say it must be JBH) has been around for a long time and has actually made all kinds of porcelain and earthenware. Some people think they know it is from Germany, France or the Czech Republic. The modern pieces are often labeled "Made in Italy".
      Something is written on your piece under the HJB mark. Can you decipher what?


      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-HJB-Czechoslovakia-Bohemian-Signed-Porcelain-Pictorial-Plaque-7-x-8-5/183828171816?hash=item2acd034c28:g:fyYAAOSwQ0dcveNR

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Hand-Painted-and-Signed-Porcelain-Dresser-Box-Bavaria/264520067040?hash=item3d969fe7e0:g:MaQAAOSwhYNdr1Ue

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Hand-Painted-and-Signed-Porcelain-Dresser-Box-Bavaria/264520067040?hash=item3d969fe7e0:g:MaQAAOSwhYNdr1Ue
    5. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 4 days ago
      This is also a stunning piece. And on it is written Hand Painted and made in France

      https://www.k-bid.com/auction/20880/item/22

      and on this Porcelain Plaque is actually written Czechoslovakia
      https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Antique-Hand-Painted-Porcelain-Plaque-Plate-JBH-Czechoslovakia/264415479533?hash=item3d906406ed:g:SoQAAOSwnopdQbOl

    6. keramikos keramikos, 4 days ago
      mp.kunst, Woo hoo!, You are on it!

      Yeah, I did find one sample of that makers mark:

      https://f01.justanswer.com/X8YquYJV/Foil+stamp+on+urn.jpg

      Here is what justanswer dot com had to say about it:

      *snip*

      I cannot tell you what company JBH, is they are reported to have been in Italy in the mid 20thC, around 1960, into the 70's.

      *snip*

      https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/8tnci-piece-pottery-supposed.html
    7. renedijkstra, 3 days ago
      i aree with keramikos ,
    8. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 2 days ago
      They also made your tobacco jar in black

      https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Standey-Ancient-Italian-Design-Black-and-Gold-Covered-Bowl-/222463230256
    9. keramikos keramikos, 2 days ago
      mp.kunst, Excellent find. :-)

      What's interesting to me is that the number stamped on the underside is 193/59. The final "9" seems to be in a different size font, and not quite in line with the other numbers. Perhaps the other numbers were produced by a single stamp, and a different stamp was used for the final "9." Suggestive of a serial number or limited edition.
    10. keramikos keramikos, 2 days ago
      A near twin (the stamps are 193/38 and looks like maybe 193/41?), and an explanation of the JBH initialism:

      *snip*

      Beautiful Antique Tobacco Bowl & Ashtray Set - JB Hirsch

      *snip*

      Vintage from the 1950s
      Material

      Porcelain

      *snip*

      ABSOLUTE BEAUTIES! ...
      ANTIQUE SET OF ITALIAN PORCELAIN LIDDED TOBACCO BOWL WITH MATCHING ASHTRAY
      PRESENTED BY JBH - ITALY ... #193-42 (JOSEPH B. HIRSCH)
      OFFERED IN VERY GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION FOR THEIR AGE ...

      TOBACCO BOWL: 6.5" HEIGHT
      5" DIAMETER
      ASHTRAY: 2.25" HEIGHT
      5.25" DIAMETER

      COMBINE BOTH AS A TOWER OR STACKABLE WHEN NOT IN USE ... (MAIN PHOTO)

      *snip*

      https://www.etsy.com/il-en/listing/731670949/beautiful-antique-tobacco-bowl-ashtray

      *snip*

      The JB Hirsch story begins in 1907 with the New York Art Bronze Works in Manhattan’s lower east side. The founder of the company, Romanian metalsmith, Joseph B. Hirsch, began importing pieces directly from French foundries. Around that period, foundries with close ties to the talented artists and sculptors of the Ecole des Beaux Arts in Paris, began producing their now famous works in “French Bronze.” Some of the finest talent throughout Europe trained at the Ecole des Beaux Arts, exhibiting their works at the Salon de Artistes and other great Salons in Paris, the center of the art world.

      *snip*

      http://antiquebookends.net/jbhirsch_files/JBHirschinfo.htm

      Here is essentially that same makers mark:

      http://jbhirschhomedecor.com/

      About JB Hirsch Home Décor:

      *snip*

      JB Hirsch Home Décor is your best source of home lighting and home decoration.

      The business started as a French manufacturing collection in 1907. Today we are one of the major home furnishing markets in the US located in Newark, New Jersey. Our products are expertly hand crafted and of the highest quality. Widest selection of hand painted fine porcelain Table Lamps and Accessories; metal and wooden Floor Lamps; high-end replacement Lamp Shades; decorative wooden Accessory Boxes; collection of French Statues; Accent Furniture; Lighting Fixtures; stained glass Tiffany Table and Floor Lamps as well as stained glass Tiffany Pendants and Fixtures.

      *snip*

      http://jbhirschhomedecor.com/id1.html

      A search for JB Hirsch turns up numerous samples.
    11. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 2 days ago
      Maybe 193-4 or 193-5 is the background color and the extra number for the golden part.
    12. keramikos keramikos, 2 days ago
      mp.kunst, Whoops, we were commenting at the same time. :-)

      See my most recent find. Look at the pictures linked and see if you have better luck making out that final digit.
    13. mp.kunst mp.kunst, 2 days ago
      I didn't know that LayManOfArt on Etsy uses StudioVanguard as his username.
      Exactly the same photos.

      That also makes it easy to find the final digit. LOL.
    14. keramikos keramikos, 2 days ago
      mp.kunst, I see what you mean about the first three pictures in this post; however, that fourth picture seems different.

      Some of the minor imperfections in the finish seem the same in both the number picture here, and the one at Etsy. The fourth picture in this post seems to have been taken at a different angle to avoid having reflection obscure that final digit.

      So, LayManOfArt...what's up?

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